@mischievoustomato @Zardoz @ontheway But seriously, wtf was the church thinking? you read John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And then ya say, hey, lets make these guys promise to be good people and then let them go..