@agaperealm oh, believe me - I'm aware of this stuff; I'm just saying I don't feel like the "making rules for myself and then trying to argue it doesn't apply" is *evil* - I think lots of other groups exhibit that too, so I kind of feel like that's a common human failing.

A behavior that I do feel is evil when groups say "you can't lie to our people, but it is a virtue to lie to the outsider"