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   kinoko ? (kinoko@raru.re)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 23:05:29 JST kinoko ?

   It’s a bit silly when people are against IP full-stop, without considering copyleft for example. If you’re against the idea of IP and don’t protect your software, your work will just get stolen by some big corp (TM) and you’ll lose everything. Specific licenses and smart open-sourcing will at least allow you to protect yourself against these scenarios as much as possible, otherwise you’re just aiding the entities with the most power

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 23:05:27 JST 翠星石

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     @kinoko "Intellectual property" does not exist: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
     
     I don't get how a big corp can steal your work when you still have it.
     A big corp can make your work proprietary software if you let them mind you.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 06:38:57 JST lainy

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     @kinoko if you don't believe in IP there's nothing to be stolen from you. I think it's confusing an ethical argument with a utilitarian one.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 08:12:03 JST lainy

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     @kinoko but the situation would be the same in a world without IP, everyone could take your code/work and do whatever they want with it.
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     kinoko ? (kinoko@raru.re)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 08:12:04 JST kinoko ?

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     • lainy

     @lain In principle, I’m completely against IP existing, but as long as big corps and some other entities take someone’s work and profit off it (e.g incorporate a substantial piece of work without a good license into proprietary software, or downright just take the whole product and shut down the creator), we need to protect ourselves against this. At least with copyleft, it might actually work against this whole practice.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 07:53:16 JST lainy

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     • Lumeinshin
     @Lumeinshin @kinoko The answer to this really depends on where you're even coming from and what you think property is.
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     Lumeinshin (lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 07:53:17 JST Lumeinshin

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     • lainy
     @lain @kinoko
     I think the main issue isnt actually IP, its the ability to use the protections, which is only really useful for larger companies since they can just outspend you.
     
     the whole 'loser pays for the winners costs' should be enough to compensate for this, but people dont want to take the risk.
     otherwise i think its fine
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     ☑⚡thurisaz⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:26:20 JST ☑⚡thurisaz⚡

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     • lainy
     when people think of IP, they typically think of digital assets. but do you think about privacy or reputation? both are a property rights claim over the content of another person's mind.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:26:20 JST lainy

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     • ☑⚡thurisaz⚡
     @toiletpaper @kinoko yeah, I agree, they are very similar, and I think most privacy and reputation laws are just as unjust as IP
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:44:21 JST lainy

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     • ☑⚡thurisaz⚡
     @toiletpaper @kinoko I'm not saying that there isn't a good reason to sanction this kind of behavior in a community, I'm just saying that it's not a property issue.
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     ☑⚡thurisaz⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:44:22 JST ☑⚡thurisaz⚡

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     • lainy
     I've been mulling this over for quite a while and though I don't relish it, I think there's a good reason our ancestors (vikings, celts, greeks, romans, etc) considered it legal to kill someone on the spot if they talked shit about you in public.