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   h4890 (h4890@liberdon.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 18:08:56 JST h4890

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   @AnarkioCrypto

   Do you know of any KYC free exchanges where I can exchange dollars to crypto electronically?

   Unless that is solved, crypto has a severe hadnicap.

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     @thatguyoverthere @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ

     Yes... perhaps that is the way. Build trust and start a network.

     Alternatively if my income would be in crypto from the start, that would also solve it. But where I am in europe we are far, far, far away from that ever happening.

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     @h4890 @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ I think with the straight cash transactions you'd start small and build trust. That's the recommendation from localmonero anyway. I also think there is monero locked up in escrow until both parties confirm the transaction was successful (BTC in the case of bisq)
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     @h4890 @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ I think ACH will also be supported (I think bisq supports it too), but the bank will have already done their KYC before giving you an account. Physical currency is really the only way to avoid KYC at the on ramps I'm afraid.
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     @thatguyoverthere @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ definitely not bring that in cash on my person when meeting a stranger somewhere in the city.

     Sad to see, but transferring large amounts KYC free and _safely_ is still as far as I can tell, not a solved problem.

     Crypto to crypto I imagine is a breeze, but as long as I need the fiat world, and as long as it is my main economic driver, the integration of crypto needs to be smooth and safe and decentralized before I can start to use it at larger scale.

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     @thatguyoverthere @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ

     Ahh, and let me answer my own questions for the benefit of any others who are wondering.

     From the Haveno FAQ:

     How can I exchange Monero for fiat without involving banks?

     Haveno will support payment methods that don’t require users to have a bank account, like “Cash in person” (for face to face trades) and “Cash by mail”.

     So sadly not useful for bigger amounts of cash. I would never send 10k EUR, or 1k EUR for that matter by mail, and I would (...)

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     @thatguyoverthere @AnarkioCrypto @ZeoZ

     Great! The more the merrier.

     A question... on these decentralized exchanges, how does it work if I want to buy monero for EUR?

     My EUR sit in a regular bank account, so how and where do I transfer them in order to obtain my moneros without my bank or the recipient bank starting the KYC dance?

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     @ZeoZ @AnarkioCrypto @h4890 https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno not sure when it will be ready but looking forward to it
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     @ZeoZ @h4890 @AnarkioCrypto anyone keeping an eye on haveno to see when that goes live? Pretty exciting stuff there from the looks of it.
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     @h4890 @AnarkioCrypto P2P exchanges like localmonero or bisq are some great options for that