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   Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 17:03:16 JST Matthew Garrett

   Huh apparently Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz@twitter.com) quit his job anyway don't employ him he's awful https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/12/02/sirius-open-source-went-rogue/

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 17:03:14 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     oh, the stink of hate speech in the morning :-/
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 18:05:12 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     do you really need any help to tell what part of your post was hateful?
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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 18:05:13 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo Can you elaborate on that a little?

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 21:39:07 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discurso_de_%C3%B3dio
     it encompasses "other characteristics susceptible to discrimination" more explicitly than "something such as..." in the English version
     I've witnessted and been targeted by your hate speech targeted at neurominorities before, so this doesn't surprise me, but it still disappoints me that you seem to prefer to defend the hatred you've just expressed by splitting hairs in some legal or dictionary definition than acknowledge how it failed to be respectful, kind and inclusive
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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 21:39:08 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo Can you point to the definition of "hate speech" that you're using? Based on the ones I'm familiar with, it's pretty clearly not.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:43:45 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     there's no need for me to be able to name the category you create in your mind to group human beings you dehumanize to the point of wishing them to be unable to earn a living to tell that it's not cool.
     
     it comes across as even harsher to me because I've witnessed your weaponizing inclusion, against a discriminated-minority target no less, so your attempt to argue in favor of your hateful and exclusionary statement comes across as hypocritical. I can't fathom what twisted logic your mind comes up with to rationalize and justify it.
     whatever you wish onto others, may you get it doubled.
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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:43:47 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo What specific characteristic are you asserting I'm discriminating against here?

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 15:14:02 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     your opinions about dr schestowitz are noted, and you're surely entitled to them, and you're surely entitled to disapprove of what you describe, whether or not your perception is grounded on facts, and even to express your opinion about them. differences of perception, of opinion, and disagreements are not unusual and can be tolerated and worked out, but such dehumanizing wishes of fatal consequences really get to me.
     you appear to be projecting your mindset onto me. I didn't think nor express nor believe you should suffer the negative consequences I've seen you wish and carry out onto others before. though I acknowledge it was prone to misunderstanding, my wish was looking forward, for you to take into account in your future wishes, since the past cannot be changed. I hope you'll realize that it was not cool, just like the way you seem to have misunderstood my own wish wasn't, and strive to do better.
     I can see how, in your apparent mindset, my double-golden-rule wish could come across as a threat rather than as a motivator to do better, but see, the choice between whether your future wishes are harmful or rewarding depends exclusively on your own choices and behaviors. me, I'd be happy and grateful, rather than threatened, if you wished me the very same wish, and that's a good feeling I'd like to share.
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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 15:14:03 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo Let me be clearer. Roy has spent years harassing contributors to free software, has celebrated them losing their jobs, has helped disseminate conspiracy theories about people's deaths. You look at my behaviour and feel justified in saying I should suffer negative consequences. How is that any different to my response to his behaviour?

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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 15:14:04 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo is that hate speech?

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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 17:25:12 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo Sorry, that's unfair, I don't mean to criticise you here. If Roy were to start doing good things, I would hope that good things happen to him. But while he continues to deliberately cause pain to people I care about, I am unable to extend that generosity.

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     Matthew Garrett (mjg59@nondeterministic.computer)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 17:25:14 JST Matthew Garrett

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo So it would be ok to say I hope that whenever you describe someone as engaging in hate speech you may get that doubled?

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 17:37:03 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Jonathan Dowland
     yeah, sure, have fun splitting hairs on how wishing someone to be prevented from earning a living in a capitalist society is different from wishing them to starve to death homeless in the cold. show us all how clever you are by convincing anyone that any one of these is cool and civil to wish on anyone else.
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     Jonathan Dowland (jmtd@pleroma.debian.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 17:37:11 JST Jonathan Dowland

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo @mjg59 “fatal consequences” is an invention here
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 19:55:15 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Jonathan Dowland
     I suppose you might have misunderstood what I meant by 'fatal consequences', but insisting on that after my response to you comes across as playing word-twister. thanks, but no thanks, have fun playing it.
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     Jonathan Dowland (jmtd@pleroma.debian.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 19:55:16 JST Jonathan Dowland

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo I’m just pointing out that by implying someone made a death threat when they didn’t, quite apart from it undermining whatever argument you are trying to make, it also says a lot about your credibility