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   Kris Nóva (nova@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 10:55:54 JST Kris Nóva

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   • Filippo Valsorda :go:
   • Dave Anderson

   @danderson @filippo ?

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     Dave Anderson (danderson@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 10:56:01 JST Dave Anderson

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     @filippo Conceptually really easy to build, but then you go look at how json-ld and activitystreams work, and ?

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     Filippo Valsorda :go: (filippo@abyssdomain.expert)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 10:56:09 JST Filippo Valsorda :go:

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     @danderson That's what relays do, I think, but agreed it would be nice to have dedicated ones or even just an instance setting to subscribe to other instances.

     However, that is also going to pollute the Federated timeline, which on a small enough instance is kinda nice.

     I guess what I want is that, but automatically filtered per hashtag.

     This... can't be that hard to build, surely? Hmm...

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     Dave Anderson (danderson@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 10:56:10 JST Dave Anderson

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     @filippo I'd be really interested in new activitypub software for this: let me self-host, but also provide credentials for other instances so that I can pull their local feeds without needing middle-people.

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     Filippo Valsorda :go: (filippo@abyssdomain.expert)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 10:56:14 JST Filippo Valsorda :go:

     Hashtags in a federated setting are an interesting technical and UX challenge.

     In the push direction, I am not too worried: at least one account follows me from most large instances.

     In the pull direction though I lost ~all visibility moving to a personal instance.

     I don't want a firehose relay (of which anyway there's no reliable ones), but maybe there should be such a thing as a #hashtag relay where you get posts with hashtags followed by people on the local instance?

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     Kris Nóva (nova@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 11:00:25 JST Kris Nóva

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     @filippo @danderson we are working on an activity pub relay in rust that I believe is trying to solve a lot of this — I’m just happy to see smart people getting excited about new standards at this point

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     Filippo Valsorda :go: (filippo@abyssdomain.expert)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 11:00:26 JST Filippo Valsorda :go:

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     @nova @danderson It *is* a weekend after all...

     I'm gonna end up hosting this, huh? ?

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     Kris Nóva (nova@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 11:06:57 JST Kris Nóva

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     • TQ

     @filippo @danderson

     So @Taniwha and @dma are the smart minds behind it. We have a discord channel and some ideas to move the project into a bigger and more collaborative space in January I think.

     Repo is here: https://github.com/hachyserve/rustypub

     CC @tquinn86

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     Filippo Valsorda :go: (filippo@abyssdomain.expert)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 11:06:58 JST Filippo Valsorda :go:

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     @nova @danderson Oh, sweet!

     Any way to follow the progress of this?

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     dominic :verified_paw: (dma@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 11:28:38 JST dominic :verified_paw:

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     @nova @filippo @danderson @Taniwha @tquinn86

     one minor note: rustypub is the activity pub implementation. actiserve (https://github.com/hachyserve/actiserve) is the nascent relay.

     most relays are many to many aiui but we have been thinking about a 1:many "broadcast" mode, and a moderation sharing relay too.

     current status: builds and runs but not verified to work as a relay.

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     deltatux (deltatux@tuxz.one)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 13:39:49 JST deltatux

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     @filippo
     
     This is where I think Akkoma's "bubble" timeline idea is amazing. It allows you to list all the instances you want to appear on your instance's timeline and it will pull their timelines and then stitch it together to make a "neighbourhood" timeline in the Bubble Timeline. This is where I can still follow other instances without the giant firehose effect of the federated timeline after I add noisy relay servers.
     
     So for me I have instances like mstdn.ca, thecanadian.social, ottawa.place, infosec.exchange, hachyderm.io and a couple others, and I can see their feed in my Bubble Timeline as I have listed them as my "neighbours". It's an incredible feature.
     
     Keep in mind that you still need a list of relay servers but at least the bubble timeline concept lets you tailor that experience. This is probably one of the best features Akkoma has came up with. Hopefully it's something that Mastodon takes up in the future.
     
     I do like the concept that you found by @g3rv4 but I think his tool only works with Mastodon, not sure if it works with Akkoma. If it does, it'll be nice to try out because content discovery is probably the biggest issue for single user instances.
     
     I'm also really keen on that relay implementation that @nova & her team are working on, sounds like it can also solve the issues that many small & single user instances are facing when it comes to getting more content as well.
     
     Love seeing so much creativity to solve problems for the #fediverse, thanks everyone!