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In July 2022, JGov's "Study Group on Measures to Deter Access to Pirated Sites on the Internet" published a Draft Status Summary.
A DeepL translation is the best we could do, but a translated version is available here:
https://anonymous-japan.org/jgovcdn/
There are some interesting takeaways from the document.
1) JGov is leaning on Cloudflare to help them choke out manga piracy sites. Apparently 9 out of the to 10 pirate sites use Cloudflare services... which is fucking embarassing
2) By the study group's own admission, working with international law enforcement and the private sector to shut down some big manga pirate sites had basically no effect, as new sites came in to fill their place and the total traffic either stayed the same or increased.
3) They more or less say flat out that last year's amendments to the Sender Information Disclosure Law, despite being shoehorned in over the oh-so-tragic suicide of Hana Kimura and ostensibly being created to stop online slander and harassment, are mostly just helpful for them in doxxing pirates.
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@JapanAnon the pirate bay still exists after everything that's happened. and that's clearnet. these people are completely delusional
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@JapanAnon not sure what they think they can do about stuff hosted in other countries. if they actually managed to come up with something that worked (doubtful) how do they plan to counter people moving to i2p or similar?
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@roboneko International jurisdiction doesn't seem to be a problem. The Japanese embassy got the police in Manila to help them bag the owner of Manga Mura without difficulty. Foreign law enforcement seems willing to cooperate with the Japanese in at least some cases.
What they're discussing in this meeting is ways to pressure CDN operators to be more cooperative in flushing out pirate site operators. I doubt they've thought far enough ahead to think of various darknets, but they also might rightly think that the majority of internet users won't know how to use them, so the remaining pirates will only be a fraction of the original number. Getting the bulk of normies nice and scared so they pay for their manga by the page like good little boys and girls is more important to them, I think.
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@roboneko Unfortunately, the further we go into the Tablet Zoomer generation, shit not being available via Google/Apple/Microsoft walled gardens will exclude a significant majority of the public.
But at least that capable minority will be able to enjoy unfettered access to whatever for the rest of their twilight years.
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@JapanAnon that's a case of not choosing your jurisdiction and/or how to structure your operations wisely. it is pretty amusing to learn that cloudflare apparently doesn't give a shit though
no need for normies to learn the details of the darknet. wrap the details in a mobile app that accesses your specific service via whatever network. now you've reduced the problem to finding a method of distributing the app that won't get you in trouble
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@roboneko I can only assume Cloudflare knows that once they take responsibility for content like that, the floodgates open. Right now they handle so much traffic from so many places that they can make the argument its simply too onerous for them to police their own users beyond the bare minimum legal obligation.
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@JapanAnon actually I'm a bit confused. cloudflare does business in JP so why wouldn't they comply with a court order to hand over all information they have about such a party? I don't understand why they would have any difficulty at all shutting down a blatant pirate service operating via a major western provider. this isn't bittorrent links, they're distributing the actual material
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@JapanAnon @roboneko Cloudflare is a chokepoint for a large chunk of internet traffic. Not surprising that people want to use it to filter out "undesirable" content.
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@JapanAnon
> Apparently 9 out of the to 10 pirate sites use Cloudflare services... which is fucking embarassing
Yes! People always love them because "they can mask the origin IP" and that Cloudflare is a hero that will never work together with the government, and of course also the "it's free", "DDoS protection".
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@JapanAnon
And also the MITM feature. If I were the government, Cloudflare would be one the best friend I can ever had, besides Google.
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And look at how many sites uses Cloudflare:
https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/proxy
It's so terrible.
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@udon @JapanAnon
> By the study group's own admission, working with international law enforcement and the private sector to shut down some big manga pirate sites had basically no effect, as new sites came in to fill their place and the total traffic either stayed the same or increased.
Proudly announce with lots of fanfare on how you've shut down a piracy site people have otherwise never heard of, and then get surprised that traffic increases.
Reminds me to how so many people never heard of Alex Jones until he got "canceled" from all of big tech.
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@udon @JapanAnon The alternative to using MitM soyvices is to learn to code the right way, which soydevs literally can't, so the entire soyweb uses Cuckflare or some other MitM soyvice.
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@ryo @udon >just cut its head off bro, its easy, just do it bro, use the sword and cut it off bro, it'll work bro just trust me
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@JapanAnon @udon :kawaiikusa:
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@roboneko Too slow, I'd imagine. They comment on how difficult the legal system is to work with inside Japan in the report. And they mention that Cloudflare's (and other CDNs) requirement to inform the accused party of incoming legal challenges gives them too much time to react.
Hell, they were willing to almost violate the 21st amendment of the Japanese Constitution and try to force ISP's to monitor and block user access to a blacklist of pirate sites just a few years ago.
They even just recently amended the legal process of getting dox from telecom platforms in Japan by cynically exploiting a high profile suicide, all so they could have an easier time getting their way. These people are scum and they just want a "Make Pirate Go Away Now" button.
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@JapanAnon I'm not talking about willingly taking responsibility. It's obvious infringement. What do they (JP) find so onerous about getting a court order in that case?
If they show up with a court order it isn't up to cloudflare to "take responsibility" they either hand over the info or go to court to challenge the order.
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@roboneko ...oh, and I almost forgot, one seriously considered proposal was to legalize state-run, extrajudicial DDoS attacks on pirate sites.
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@JapanAnon @roboneko The 21st amendment is always the one that's constantly under attack...
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@roboneko That's always been my assumption. The ISP level blocking was something that got pushed through several years prior, under the justification "we'll only use it for child porn, think of the children". Didn't take them long to break that promise.
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@JapanAnon they're probably the same as the people in the US who largely use it as an excuse when their real motive is surveillance
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@JapanAnon yeah so then really they're just trying to short circuit the legal process, as is typical. not sure why it matters if the target has warning in this case. take a look at what a response to a subpoena by (for example) google looks like. they have extensive logs. if the goal was deterrent by enforcement actions then it should suffice
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