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   Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 21:23:18 JST Hyolobrikator
   What's a good intro to anarcho-capitalism and agorism?
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 21:23:17 JST Hyolobrikator

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     @lain what was that PDF you gave me? I lost it. Preferably in non-PDF form (I'm on a mobile) or just give me a name.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 21:23:17 JST lainy

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     @Hyolobrika not sure what i gave you, this one's good: https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 21:25:50 JST lainy

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     @Hyolobrika and this one about how to provide defense and law: https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory-two-essays-market-anarchy-0
     
     Also there's Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom": http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Machinery%203rd%20Edn.pdf
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 21:27:40 JST lainy

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     @Hyolobrika And this essay collection, 'markets not capitalism': https://www.minorcompositions.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/MarketsNotCapitalism-web.pdf
     
     I'd still say it's about ancapism, they just call the current system 'capitalism' while 'proper' ancaps would say that we don't have a capitalist system.
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Dec-2022 22:42:18 JST Hyolobrikator

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     @lain Thanks. Machinery Of Freedom was the one I was looking for. And I already have a copy of Markets Not Capitalism.
     lainy likes this.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2022 04:28:22 JST lainy

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     @Hyolobrika @moffintosh that video isn't very serious
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2022 04:28:23 JST Hyolobrikator

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     @moffintosh @moffintosh Hmm. Seems like there are a lot of leaps of faith. Like, where did the Billy Bob real estate monopoly come from?
     Also, concerning Billy Bob's monopolistic lust for power, see pics related (from Machinery of Freedom by David Friedman, linked in this thread).
     I think both MoF (from what I've read so far) and the video you linked have the same problem. They both use thought experiments rather than empirical evidence. Cc: @lain
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     Moffin'tosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2022 04:28:24 JST Moffin'tosh

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     @Hyolobrika > What's a good intro to anarcho-capitalism?
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN64g9lA2g

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2022 22:59:26 JST lainy

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     @Hyolobrika @moffintosh it's trying to build up 'gotcha' situations (that don't work), instead of engaging with the actual arguments.
     
     For example, the $1000 disconnection fee. Every watcher of this video can immediately tell that THIS will come back to bite them later. Why shouldn't the people actually involved in this hypothetical scenario realize the same? No reason is given beyond "they are happy because prices are low".
     
     Another example is the 'predatory pricing', that is, lowering the price of a product below its production costs to destroy a competitor. This is not a winning strategy, it is suicidal.
     
     There's also a general tendency to ignore the consumer, or what effects things have on him. Let's say there was a 'predatory pricing' battle, what would that mean for the consumer? Lower prices! How is that bad? Who is paying for these lower prices? The 'monopolist' trying to kill his competitors!
     
     Overall there's not much economic thinking in this video (or this guy's other videos).
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Dec-2022 22:59:27 JST Hyolobrikator

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     • Moffin'tosh
     @moffintosh @lain @moffintosh Why shouldn't we take it seriously?