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   BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 08:12:03 JST BSD/r000t

   Another person creates a fediverse search engine
   Another person gets dogpiled and death threats
   Another project someone put love and effort into is shuttered

   It's just more motivation for me to build mine, which won't shutter under the pressure, which won't just buckle down and go away. Which will specifically bypass all attempts to block it. Just because. You don't bully people.

   https://very.tastytea.de/notes/97yhf4lg43

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     BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 08:12:01 JST BSD/r000t

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     • Iron Bug

     @iron_bug If you're at risk of imprisonment in your country for what you post here, you need to not post it here, or you need to take different steps to decouple your account from your identity.

     You need to assume that every oppressive government is crawling the fediverse. The code can be written by a college student in under two weeks.

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     Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 08:12:02 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t I also think that search is a good but dangerous feature. in this country people get in prison for 10 years for a simgle post about war. and we should not give them the tools for repressions. alas, search that is intended for information lookup is de facto used for opressing governments, tyrannies and different crooks. so I closed the web access and block spiders and unknown crawlers on my server. this is weird but it works in current situation.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 10:47:23 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Iron Bug
     I'm very sympathetic to the concern, but the expectation seems naïve. abusive people and governments don't normally care much about obtaining consent. by suppressing the development of useful tools because they could also be used for abuse, we do not avoid the abuse, we rather make sure that only abusers are going to have the tools and use them, unbeknownst to most everyone. they will have to develop the tools themselves, or get them underground, but this has never been a significant obstacle, especially when it comes to information that is effectively public. ISTM that significant risks and no good come from underestimating the technological abilities of determined abusers. though the concern is surely well meant, the reality of the situation makes it misguided to the point of making it irrelevant in deciding whether to offer the feature: an illusion of safety is more dangerous than the awareness of the risks, for it is conducive of unsafe behaviors under the false assumption of safety.
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     Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Friday, 25-Nov-2022 10:47:24 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t I know what I post and where, but the less tools fascists have - the better it is.
     don't think they're smart. far from that. they use plain search tools like google, etc. and then this may lead to tortures and murders of people for any words they might find.
     so I think decentralized networks must stay decentralized.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 26-Nov-2022 00:07:14 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Iron Bug
     aah, different argument. yeah, I find this one more appealing. a similar counter-argument applies (that our preference that no centralized search engines be made won't stop people who wish to make them), but encouraging and promoting decentralized search engines for the fediverse makes a lot of sense to me
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     Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Saturday, 26-Nov-2022 00:07:16 JST Iron Bug

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     • Iron Bug
     @lxo you got me wrong. it's not just tools. it's centralization. one cannot build any search without it. and this is something that is unacceptable for such networks. as well as centralized blocklists that are peddled recently over here. centralization means surveillance and control, whatever they might claim. thinking one step ahead is not enough. we should consider the global consequences.
     I know very well what security is. and I never did anything that could deliver troubles to people. programmers (and any other specialists) should care what they do. we can write anything. that does not mean we should write anything without thinking.
     
     well, the good news is it will never work out. it's too bloated. any search engines are bloated and resource consuming. there's no variants. so this is a kind of guarantee that it won't spread over decentralized networks. bloated data means coprorations invasion and centralization, their commercial interest and big data. it won't work here, thank goodness. but this does not mean people may be shallow and don't think what they do. wrong ideas lead to bad consequences. we should be careful.