Nelson
@panos @evan @carnage4life @scottjenson This is what I'm talking about. You're both minimizing/denying harms and saying they don't matter. This is one of the biggest problems with LLMs, they turn people into apologists for the fossil fuel industry because they don't want to think they're helping destroy the world.
*If* flying is more harmful, that's no excuse. There's always something more harmful until you reach the top, and then the excuse will be it's too important or too difficult to stop.
Evan Prodromou 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇬🇷🇵🇸
@skyfaller if flying is more harmful, and one still flies, then there is no convincing argument that a behaviour less harmful by many orders or magnitude is absolutely unacceptable.
Evan Prodromou 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇬🇷🇵🇸
@skyfaller My work has been up until recently building software to make greenhouse gas inventories. I am well aware of the causes of the climate crisis, and I can tell you categorically that AI is not a significant one. You've already seen my math on the topic, but I can share the links again if you need them.
Nelson
@evan @panos @carnage4life @scottjenson I do not concede that LLMs are "orders of magnitude" less harmful than flying. Also I do not fly.
Anyone dismissing LLM harms doesn't understand the scale of the climate crisis or of LLMs. Sadly, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” I can't force this understanding onto anyone in a few toots, they would have to want to understand, when the industry requires LLMs if you want to eat.
Evan Prodromou 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇬🇷🇵🇸
@skyfaller AI is projected to rise to as much as 1/3 of all IT emissions by 2030, so about 0.3% of global emissions. Air travel is about 3.5% of global emissions. That's an order of magnitude.
Evan Prodromou 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇬🇷🇵🇸
@skyfaller for individuals, an hour of flight can emit about 1kg CO2. An hour of LLM use emits 0.01kg of CO2.
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