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   dansup (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 03:34:43 JST dansup

   • Emelia 👸🏻
   • Evan Prodromou
   • Anuj Ahooja

   @thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq more adoption, like Metas Threads? There are dozens of projects on the fediverse, more than atproto, so that’s not really coming across as you think it is lol

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 03:37:03 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Emelia 👸🏻
     • Evan Prodromou

     @dansup So ActivityPub needed VC money, too?

     Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?

     @thisismissem @evan

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 03:47:06 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Emelia 👸🏻
     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup @thisismissem Friend, what's your goal here?

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:17:56 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Emelia 👸🏻
     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan What is the goal of calling out the history of atproto when the majority of the current community, including Bluesky, wants to collaborate? I'm trying to show that throwing stones is unproductive because there are stones lying everywhere.

     @dansup @thisismissem

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:17:56 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup I think you do great work in providing a literal and organisational bridge between those two communities.

     I'm wondering, how do we get to a point where we actually feel like we're on the same side? And what side is that, even? Because it doesn't feel that way for anyone.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:29:53 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup That's great! I'm glad to hear that you're having some positive interactions where people have a sense of shared goals.

     What's making that work well? How do we do it better?

     I hope the upcoming Fediforum conference will be another chance to have that kind of conversation.

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:29:54 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan It feels that way every time I talk to atproto developers, and some Fedi ones too (I was just on a call with WordPress, Leaflet, Offprint, and pckt last week about longform bridging). It feels that way when I have face-to-face 1-1s with atproto short-form apps that want to bridge with cross-promotion in tow. I can go on.

     It's posts and threads like this that get visibility and skew the conversation in an unproductive direction.

     @dansup

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:42:42 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan What's making it work is not acting as if a specific standard or technology is the only choice everyone has to bet on or is some ideological choice. It's about opening doors, building bridges, and seeing where we can bring people together. It's not that complicated, it's just kindness and openness.

     @dansup

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:42:42 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup I agree. Like I said, coalitions don't always share 100% the same goals and values, but we can still work together towards shared goals.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:07:09 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup I have a major voice because I'm ride-or-die for ActivityPub. That's my role.

     You and I have different roles in the social web. I think yours is really important, and I'm glad you do it, but it's not mine.

     We can achieve a lot together even if we don't agree on everything.

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:07:10 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan If you agree, then I think you should be promoting and endorsing more kindness and productive criticism instead of threads like this that push people away. You have a major voice here, be a part of pushing a positive culture.

     @dansup

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:09:55 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup So, I'd like to give you some unsolicited advice, since you've been so generous with yours.

     If you want to see more cooperation between people on the Fediverse and the ATmosphere, telling people on the Fediverse that they're bad and wrong and nasty isn't working. It may be true, but it's not effective.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:12:36 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup There are a lot of cases for Fediverse developers to support cooperation.

     Like you've pointed out, ATProto has evolved (almost?) beyond the control of one venture-funded startup. There is a community of third-party developers who are doing interesting things. They are more like Fediverse developers than we realize. Even if the foundations of ATProto suck (agree to disagree!), there's some cool work being done by cool people who share a lot of our values.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:13:36 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup

     Secondly, more people on Bluesky and ATProto services is helpful for the Fediverse. It means more creators making cool content for Fediverse users to read and listen to and use, and it means a bigger audience for Fediverse creators to reach. Bigger networks are, generally, better. (Thanks, Metcalfe's Law!)

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:19:30 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup

     Third, there are some really interesting things for us to learn from each other in the different protocol communities. I think the client-first, dapp-style development happening in the ATProto community is a *great* architecture for us to adopt in the Fediverse. You mentioned long-form text standards between FEP-b2b8 and standard.site -- another great opportunity for some mutual learning.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:27:02 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup I think there are a lot more ways to engage developers, advocates, and users in the Fediverse with the ATProto community.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:38:00 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup I'm not trying to burn you, I promise! I know that you want to engender a culture of kindness and cooperation. I'm trying to suggest a more effective way of doing it.

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     Anuj Ahooja (quillmatiq@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:38:01 JST Anuj Ahooja

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan I called out the culture here because this post exemplifies it. Taking my statement out of context from the broader thread here is unfair.

     @dansup

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     Boris Mann (boris@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 06:20:29 JST Boris Mann

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Anuj Ahooja

     @evan @quillmatiq @dansup well I regret getting tagged into this, I responded up thread.

     Dan is yelling at ATProto rather than yelling at Bluesky which of course ends up hitting the very people that care.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 06:40:14 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Anuj Ahooja

     @quillmatiq @dansup

     4. (cont'd) The more that we as a whole social web community do now to encourage and accelerate the shifting of the centre of gravity of the ATmosphere from Bluesky to other PDSes, relays, lexicons, codebases, etc., the less effective that clawback effort will be, and the less damaging it will be. So, we in the Fediverse should support that shift as much as possible.