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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 02:58:01 JST Alexandre Oliva
   signal won't go decentralized, it really doesn't want to
   
   xmpp has worked with non-IT people back when gmail offered it as a built-in service, when facebook based its messenger on it. so there's something amiss in your assessment. maybe you're speaking of the apps rather than of xmpp itself?
   
   Jami works with non-IT people in my experience, but I don't want to invalidate yours. I'm sure its developers would love to know what difficulties the non-IT grandmas in your life find in it, so that they (or you) can address them.
   
   in my experience, wishing and hoping doesn't make great software appear out of thin air; when software does appear out of thin air, it's usually as part of an exploitation plan that doesn't make it very appealing to me. the way I've learned to get software that does what we wish is to help make it so; starting from something that does part of what we want usually makes for a shorter path than starting from scratch. does this match your experience?
   
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Jan-2026 20:46:08 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • eliseo
     how could it be? it's not even like it has room or use for "separate programs" that happen to be binary blobs, like the kernel Linux. Jami is all a single program released with source code under a strong copyleft license. it would be quite a feat to make it proprietary.
     
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     eliseo (eliseo01@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Jan-2026 20:46:09 JST eliseo

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     GNU Jami is too proprietary for my personal taste.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 09-Jan-2026 22:25:54 JST 翠星石

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     • eliseo
     @eliseo01 @lxo @lexinova Jellyfin is proprietary software, as it's a C# program.
     
     All C# programs are proprietary software, as all of them require proprietary software from microsoft to compile and run.
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     eliseo (eliseo01@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Friday, 09-Jan-2026 22:25:58 JST eliseo

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     The same reasons I consider other projects such as Jellyfin proprietary; they're using the wrong tools and wrong means to do the job, with the bonus of only documenting how to deploy the program on top of Docker, which is absolutely proprietary, plus the iOS and Android builds which can't be free. Also the fact they host the source tree on a Gitlab instance rather than a regular git-dscm server which requires no javascript to browse, or directly on GNU Savannah like the vast majority of GNU project is unusual and misguided.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Friday, 09-Jan-2026 23:21:36 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     are you sure we're talking about the same program? I've never seen any Jami documentation related with Docker. the install instructions I've seen point at repositories where you install it like any regular package. that it offers binaries for proprietary platforms doesn't mean the program is nonfree, it only means it's trying to bring some freedom to useds of those platforms. I agree gitlab is a bit unfortunate of a choice, but git clone works just fine for browsing code. anyhow, it's now clear you're talking about surroundings rather than about the program itself, and none of them affect how the program itself respects users' freedoms. but sure, if you want to deprive yourself of a great program, and to disparage it, for such accessory reasons, that's your call to make.
     
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