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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:29:58 JST Eugen Rochko

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   RE: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/115737483111161917

   I'll elaborate. I believe we're in an AI bubble. AI companies are pushing the overton window on AI discourse. They want the most extreme anti-AI sentiment to be "Sure, it's an overhyped technology right now but there will be reasonable applications down the road". I want to see pushback on this. It doesn't matter if I can disable some AI feature in the settings. The fact that Mozilla is jumping on this bandwagon is deeply disappointing to me.

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     Antifascist Atha Ahuluheluw (martranslations@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:42:06 JST Antifascist Atha Ahuluheluw

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     @Gargron Oh I'm with you - I'm no longer using it. I'll look into Vivaldi, though, cause Duck is also annoying me.

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     Nigel Wadsworth 🇦🇺 (nygl@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:46:41 JST Nigel Wadsworth 🇦🇺

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     @Gargron Gosh I hope it’s a Christmas present to the world. Pop!

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     Patrick Leavy (patrickleavy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 17:47:59 JST Patrick Leavy

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     @Gargron I switched to Vivaldi last year, and love it.

     I still use Librefox, DDG browser and Ironfox for specific things through.

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     Fred Rocha (john_fisherman@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 19:06:05 JST Fred Rocha

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     @Gargron I'd love to read a long-form post on this.

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     James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺 (freequaybuoy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 19:20:43 JST James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺

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     @Gargron I've had to make this exact point at work recently. But it's already like yelling at a hurricane. And any problems with it? Ah, they're just "familiarity" issues - ie, the AI can't be at fault so it must be you.

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     VP9KF (vp9kf@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 19:22:43 JST VP9KF

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     @Gargron Welcome. Been using Vivaldi since it's early days. Here's why now, especially: https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/

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     AppleWoi (applewoi@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 20:16:54 JST AppleWoi

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     @Gargron

     Thank you for not implementing AI technologies.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 20:19:04 JST Rich Felker

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     @Gargron I'm pushing the Overton window back: Every person involved in the AI industry should be spending the rest of their lives in prison for possession of CSAM. Which they are because it's in all their model training sets.

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     Everton Favretto (favretto@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 20:49:11 JST Everton Favretto

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     @Gargron I'm so tired of this AI nonsense. Too much "investiment" being made for stuff that isn't THAT useful and isn't even making financial returns.

     And also will probably trigger a major worldwide recession.

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     Ovidi Nawer (nawer_rapter@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 21:18:43 JST Ovidi Nawer

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     @Gargron 0 units of doubt, technology has been evolving for quantity and not efficiency over the past 20+ years.
     AI is not going to be sustainable.
     The only reason other technologies are sustainable are the miracle of that their basis was made before the 2000s, when people actually cared about efficiency over massification.

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     Mormegil (hdansin@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 21:31:12 JST Mormegil

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     @Gargron Zen browser (based on firefox) is also a great alternative. I do not believe they have plans to adopt the AI crap.

     This definitely feels like a bubble. What kills me is when I hear about people using AI for regular searches they could have looked up on wikipedia, or just a regular search. AI uses so much more energy, and the results are less reliable.

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     manuelcaeiro ☕ (manuelcaeiro@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Dec-2025 21:34:22 JST manuelcaeiro ☕

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     @Gargron
     "I want to see pushback on this."
     Absolutely.
     "It doesn't matter if I can disable some AI feature in the settings."
     Disagree. The time is now, and people must defend... Until some alternative pops up.
     I'm using LibreWolf right now. I also use Pale Monn when it's convenient - and sometines it is. And yet I still have to use Firefox sometimes, so it's good that I can at least disble AI on it.
     Degoogling is a thing. Check e/os https://e.foundation.

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     Amber Grey (ambergrey@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 00:11:35 JST Amber Grey

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     @Gargron I plan to never use AI, in as many areas of life as possible, indefinitely.

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     mariababy (mariababy@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 01:33:35 JST mariababy

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     @Gargron but the vivaldi translation service is entirely dependent on Google translate. Brave may be a better option.

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     lynn (lynndotpy@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 02:08:00 JST lynn

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     @Gargron I'm basically 'anti-AI', but the term "AI" is about as meaningful as the term "smart" was. It can be arbitrarily broad, to support any "AI is good" argument.

     Take OCR, audio transcription models, simple classifiers, etc. These are genuinely useful! And SOTA is genuinely better in 2025 than it was in even 2021.

     They aren't LLMs, but they're neural networks. Anyone can call them "AI" if they want.

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     eevee (eevee@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 02:11:20 JST eevee

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     @Gargron i guess i don't see how contributing to google's browser monopoly is an improvement

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     Knightmare (lancejz@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 03:13:13 JST Knightmare

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     @Gargron you did not mention how the 'AI' bubble is just a circle jerk of money going round and round.

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     vy (vy@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Dec-2025 10:14:51 JST vy

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     @Gargron seems useful for machine translation.

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     Janet Grootebroeder (janetgrbr@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Dec-2025 07:57:37 JST Janet Grootebroeder

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     @Gargron I'm also not too pleased with DeepL.com's push on AI, translating on Mastodon.

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     eevee (eevee@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Dec-2025 09:23:07 JST eevee

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     • Glyph

     @glyph surely there's a bit of a distinction between "google individually employs most of the chrome team" and "google pays mozilla for a service"

     vivaldi isn't even a rounding error. they have no weight to throw around and certainly not enough manpower to actually hard-fork and maintain a browser engine

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     Glyph (glyph@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Dec-2025 09:23:07 JST Glyph

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     @eevee Is there? I can’t think of any way in which Firefox has meaningfully acted as a check on Google’s power as a result or any way that it would negatively impact Google if everyone stopped using Chrome and started using Firefox. Chromium is already open source and that seems like the most realistic counterpressure on their own behavior

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Glyph (glyph@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Dec-2025 09:23:08 JST Glyph

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     @eevee @Gargron I don't disagree with any of that, but how does supporting Firefox, the second browser also funded by Google, help with this? Vivaldi arguably has more practical distance from Google's control (not saying they have a *lot*, but they have some), since they have independent funding and could hypothetically fork. Is the idea that the engine technology itself is the issue, then everyone should be using … Epiphany, I guess?