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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 17:44:20 JST iced depresso
   so far claude is the only LLM i can vaguely attempt to respect.
   
   but i am already as smart as claude, so this exercise has been pointless.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 17:52:49 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey I don't think either of the cats here have had opinions on data processing, where sonnet at least confirmed there was nothing else for me to learn about the problem.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 17:52:50 JST Strypey

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     > i am already as smart as claude

     You're a fair bit smarter than that, since I've met cats smarter than Claude, which isn't any smarter than a "smart TV".

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:06:06 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey when people on fedi actually become helpful they will regain the right to complain about LLMs to me. i gave humans the entire year and they were largely just shitty and useless.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:06:07 JST Strypey

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     > I don't think either of the cats here have had opinions on data processing

     The Trained #MOLE didn't have any opinions on it either. It just regurgitated some words vaguely related to the words you prompted it with. Any opinions involved were your own.

     > where sonnet at least confirmed there was nothing else for me to learn about the problem

     Rubber duck debugging at work ; )

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:11:23 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey near the end of my elementary school days people took to ghosting conversations in person. all the adults would lie about how they're kids they'll grow up (they didn't, ghosting has become the norm instead.) i'd start just hitting them and/or other shit when they did it.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:11:24 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey i haven't found in-person humans to be any less worthless.
     
     the immediate risk of physical violence might make them slightly more polite, i guess.
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:11:25 JST Based Lunatic

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     @icedquinn @strypey the internet isn't known for being a place where people work together or give a helping hand.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:33:35 JST iced depresso

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     @mcv it worked on the few things i asked it to do. though i ask it very specific and pointed questions about part of a system design.
     
     (for therapy questions its largely said the same useless shit everyone else in my life does)
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     mcv (mcv@friendica.opensocial.space)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:33:37 JST mcv

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     Claude seems to be the smartest when it comes to software engineering, but it's not smart enough to tackle complex problems. It's very fast, though. Very fast to produce a solution that doesn't quite solve the problem. Although it always superficially appears to. And definitely claims to.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:41:20 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey i don't meet people in person or go outside much in the past 20 years.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:41:22 JST Strypey

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     > near the end of my elementary school days people took to ghosting conversations in person

     > i'd start just hitting them and/or other shit when they did it

     Starting to come up with a theory on why people avoid you in-person ... ; )

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:43:46 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey as an adult i just leave boring locations. i get to do that now.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:43:47 JST Strypey

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     > i don't meet people in person or go outside much in the past 20 years

     Probably better for public safety. Not great for you, but that's what the net is for ; )

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:46:16 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey @Dicey i wouldn't say this space or conversation has been helpful at all.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:46:19 JST Strypey

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     @Dicey
     > the internet isn't known for being a place where people work together or give a helping hand.

     This is irony, right? I'm guessing, because irony doesn't work so well in the absence of tone of voice, facial expression and body language.

     If you're serious, I can think of a few hundred counterexamples. Including the very existence of the space in which we're having this conversation ; )

     @icedquinn

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:55:01 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey i haven't found any of that to be true.
     
     its just another outlet for normie compliance tests and some enforced, fraudulent form of corporate happiness expression.
     
     everything is "the best" and "my favorite" and you can feel the lying through one's teeth at every turn.
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:55:02 JST Based Lunatic

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     @strypey @icedquinn anyway, maybe you experienced another internet than me, I don’t know. To me it seems like just slop everything about it. A place where people can get out frustrations about life, release their inner beast, it works well for that. Or their true self. It also works as a place you don’t have to act a role, so that’s a positive. Guess deep down we are actually vicious beasts, like Machiavelli claimed
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:55:03 JST Based Lunatic

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     @strypey @icedquinn I meant actually helping hand, it’s not known for being a friendly, generous or even peaceful place, but it reflects the world
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:58:42 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey i asked the bot (claude) about some social stuff today. mostly it was just like "uhh idk go get gig jobs i guess" and i had to reiterate how does one care about doing menial labor when their maslows are critically unmet and it was just like
     
     :gutkato_pensegas: ... fuck. idk.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:39:27 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey pro-social behavior has to be actively managed. even the skinner boxies have started to acknowledge that ("Coaching for Performance" nods to this. just throwing children in a room and saying they'll socialize and there's nothing to be done is a widely held persistent lie.)
     
     we have about 2-3 generations of absentee parents who slept at the wheel the entirety of raising the kids. it's not going to be a good time for any of us.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:39:28 JST Strypey

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     @icedquinn People behaving worse online than we do in person is definitely a thing. Anyone who thinks people are never dicks in person never experienced school. So the opposite may be a thing in some cases as well.

     I think it's worth keeping in mind that social behaviour is as much a function of context as it is personality, cognition or biology. It's an interference pattern between all these things and more.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:39:29 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey the then-therapist was trying to talk me in to it but college busywork took up all of my time to waste trying to socialize.
     
     after that i started to sign up for some events and they put the world in to lockdown.
     
     have since given up on everything but in-person interaction wasn't any less crap than people act online--despite all the copium people have told me over the years that "oh no no that's just the internet."
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:43:17 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey i say things that amuse myself to say with the mostly met expectation nobody is going to say anything worth listening to in response.
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:43:18 JST Based Lunatic

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     @strypey @icedquinn usually most people find life itself frustrating. It's not like a Disney movie. For me currently it's pretty good, but that is something that can change in a minute.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:43:20 JST Strypey

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     @icedquinn
     > i wouldn't say this space or conversation has been helpful at all

     You get no value at all from being in the fediverse? You've been active here for quite a while, so I find that a bit hard to believe.

     But you're clearly feeling frustrated or lonely or something, feel free to share whatever that it (using Direct posts if that's more comfortable for you).

     @Dicey

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:50:20 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey @Dicey this is the second flippant thing you have said to me today.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 19:50:22 JST Strypey

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     @icedquinn
     > i asked the bot (claude) about some social stuff today

     Did you ask Talkie Toaster? ; )

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

     @Dicey

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:09:46 JST iced depresso

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     @strypey @Dicey not that this has anything remotely to do with anything i was talking about but
     
     > why
     originally the excuse was "russian disinfo." under the cold war the CIA engaged in project mockingbird--which basically amounts to subverting every source of democratic news to make sure the right biases were enforced. in a congressional hearing the director was asked directly if there was any outlet he hasn't tampered with and the director declined to answer.
     
     the NSA was also tasked with ensuring computer systems were secured against hypothetical soviet attacks. though with the fall of the soviet union they have pivoted to hoarding hacking and blackmail tools more than anything.
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:09:47 JST Strypey

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     @Dicey
     > Wikipedia is run by inteligency agencies

     Uh-huh. That raises more than a few questions. But let's start with, why? It would be much less effort for spooks to buy Britannica than to keep control of Wikipedia.

     Secondly, do you think all Open Source projects are run by spooks too? What about Open Street Map? Appropedia? Open Food Facts? iFixit? Thingiverse? Open Source Ecology? Stack Overflow? BitTorrent?!? There are so many examples of people helping each other online.

     @icedquinn

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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:09:50 JST Based Lunatic

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     @strypey @icedquinn Wikipedia is run by intelligence agencies, don't see that as a positive internet endeavor
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     Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:09:51 JST Strypey

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     @Dicey
     > maybe you experienced another internet than me

     I guess so. I've seen people online helping each other with all manner of practical problems. Giving comfort during difficult times. Organising activities. That's on top of all the large-scale collaboration where people help each other via the commons; Free Code software, Wikipedia, etc, etc.

     @icedquinn

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:11:43 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey there is also the infamous quote that our job is complete when everything americans believe is wrong, which has been confirmed by someone who used to work with the man as being something he did say.
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:11:44 JST Based Lunatic

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     @icedquinn @strypey everyone should be aware of this with minimal research
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:20:51 JST iced depresso

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     @Dicey @strypey i'm going to close this thread now as its clear that it isn't going anywhere close to a direction of something helpful for me.
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     Based Lunatic (dicey@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 20:20:52 JST Based Lunatic

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     @icedquinn @strypey I mean Wikipedia is one of most useful tools the establishment got for narrative control, most people on this part of fedi knows that. It’s useful, because it's referenced to rebute or confirm information. So it goes straight to mind control. Nobody believes the media, but more people are likely to believe Wikipedia. They got shady editors, and people editing articles with superpowers, so their edits are confirmed. Whole thing is a psyop. Not saying you can't find lots useful information, but for politics, its a psyop.