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   Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 11:45:03 JST Abolisyonista

   I feel like a lot of people have a “noble savage” view of democracy tbh.

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 12:52:53 JST Abolisyonista

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     The idea that if democracy wasn't bourgeois, liberal, colonized, settler, white, etc, etc, it would be good is kinda noble-savage coded. That there exists a pure democracy under the snow of capitalism is a myth.

     I read once in an essay about repression against anti-genocide protesters for Gaza: “We live in a class dictatorship thinly disguised as a democracy.” But democracy has always been class dictatorship. There was never a democracy that wasn't. Same with the noble-savage trope.

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     DebbieDoomer (debbiedoomer@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 15:40:32 JST DebbieDoomer

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     I mean they very literally do. You havent seen someone do the "our democracy comes from the iroquois, voting is sacred" thing?

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     A Flock of Beagles (burnitdown@beige.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 15:46:51 JST A Flock of Beagles

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     it's pretty typical liberal grift. "democracy would be good if it wasn't all the things democracy is."

     "the system would work so well if there wasn't this whole system in the way of making it magically work in ways that it doesn't and can't."

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 15:48:55 JST Abolisyonista

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     • DebbieDoomer

     @DebbieDoomer I'm not american at all. I wouldn't know.

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     DebbieDoomer (debbiedoomer@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Nov-2025 17:37:21 JST DebbieDoomer

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     @abolisyonista
     Talking to a non-american has never stopped an american from assuming america is the only thing thats ever happened. Im glad no one has hurrled this nonsense your way.

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Sunday, 30-Nov-2025 06:12:41 JST Abolisyonista

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     • DrYak

     @dryak which direct democracy was not a class dictatorship?

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     DrYak (dryak@mstdn.science)'s status on Sunday, 30-Nov-2025 06:12:42 JST DrYak

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     @abolisyonista ...well direct democracy has a bit less "class" problems, specially since modern-day implementations have extended the definion of "citizen" well beyond antiquity Athens.

     It's not perfect, but it seems better at capturing the inrerests of the grneral population than the legalized corruption systems or representative democracy.

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Sunday, 30-Nov-2025 21:37:36 JST Abolisyonista

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     • gkrnours

     @gkrnours if, as Marx argued, that the Paris commune was a dictatorship of the proletariat, then it was indeed a class dictatorship. Granted, a poor one that begged banks to support them, but whatever.

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     gkrnours (gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Sunday, 30-Nov-2025 21:37:38 JST gkrnours

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     @abolisyonista la commune de paris might be a counter-exemple but they existed for less than 3 month before the bourgeois send in some troop and put a end to it.