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   Gus (projectgus@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 10:37:30 JST Gus

   Re: last boost https://chaos.social/@dpk/115589097803252590

   That OCaml PR is textbook open source in the era of vibe coding...

   It's got everything:

   - PR submitted without the author acknowledging they didn't write it and don't understand it.
   - Copyright laundering.
   - "I just wanted to get it done!" versus maintainers who know they have to live with code contributions for years.
   - Zero-effort pasting LLM output as reply to real people's thoughtful questions. (At least the author acknowledged what they were doing that time.)
   - It doesn't matter that it's hard to review because "AI has a very deep understanding of how this code works."
   - "Beats me. AI decided to do so and I didn't question it."

   If this is our new world then it's going to turbocharge maintainer burnout. :dumpster_fire:

   (If you don't want to read a quite long often depressing thread, would still recommend reading this well reasoned comment by one of the maintainers:
   https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369#issuecomment-3556593972 )

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     abrasive (abrasive@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 13:53:07 JST abrasive

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     @projectgus But it's equally true in other fields! One I'm heavily exposed to is doctors' notes - there's this big push to do auto transcription, whatever, but then LLM summarisation for the doctor's records. Talking to the doctors I know well, they spend enormous amounts of time and energy writing notes after interacting with patients - viewed by many as overhead again, but in their view it's a critical part of, essentially, validating (or invalidating) their understanding of what's going on!

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     abrasive (abrasive@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 13:53:08 JST abrasive

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     @projectgus holy crap what a shitshow! thanks for boosting this~

     This whole "revolution" is highlighting to me a lot of work that our culture labels an "overhead", implying a waste of time, and how much value is actually in that work.

     The canonical example in software is developing and using a mental model of how software works, while lines of code are really a side-effect rather than the main show.

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     Gus (projectgus@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 13:53:30 JST Gus

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     • abrasive

     @abrasive 100%, it's honestly scary. And a real indictment of many people's relationship with thinking.

     I'm surprised pro-AI people don't address this more, because I don't think LLMs are totally useless[*] but the consequences of using them excessively and uncritically don't help convince people of that, either. I guess excessive use does help line go up.

     [*] I do think their benefits aren't worth the significant societal and energy demand costs, but yeah...

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Nov-2025 02:30:49 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     @projectgus this is why Amaranth has a blanket "no AI" contribution policy: you could argue about its social-scale problems but my view is that it fades in comparison to "if I have to deal with slop being submitted I will simply choose to not take submissions from an open set of people at all"

     "no AI PRs" is a compromise, with the other option being "the only way to get your code in is to be from the same guild"