GrapheneOS
Here's another French journalist participating in fearmongering about GrapheneOS. That article is not measured. It provided a platform to make both unsubstantiated and provably false claims about GrapheneOS while providing no opportunity to see and respond to those claims.
https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielthierry.bsky.social/post/3m62ewf5mvs2q
Gianmarco Gargiulo
@GrapheneOS this @multimilliardaire account has AI generated images and was created recently, may be a fake with the purpose of spreading FUD.
GrapheneOS
@multimilliardaire @Fritange Read these 3 articles and our responses to them:
https://archive.is/UrlvK
https://archive.is/AhMsj
https://archive.is/FBc1U
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115575997104456188
They're saying that having secure devices they can't break into is unacceptable and that backdoors are required. They're threatening to go after us with charges, etc. if we don't cooperate with unspecified demands. They're also making false claims about GrapheneOS. Why can't you understand why this seriously concerns us?
🃏 su -
For sure.
#Bullshitting is far easier and takes no time at all.
But it costs credibility and trust.
GrapheneOS
@multimilliardaire @Fritange We linked you to everything you need to read to see what's happening. If you expect us to give extremely detailed responses and arguments to thousands of people contacting us in a short period of time, that's just not a reasonable expectation. We do not have paid people to handle social media, press releases, etc. but rather it's mostly being handled by the development and moderation team which are both very busy with high priorities right now.
🃏 su -
Dommage pour vous.
C'est triste d'être aussi limités intellectuellement quand on prétend proposer un outil aussi stratégique, je trouve.
Vous allez pouvoir continuer paisiblement à duper et faire illusion auprès d'esprits aussi limités que le(s) vôtre(s).
Je ne vous importunerai plus.
Bonne continuation.
GrapheneOS
https://archive.is/UrlvK
https://archive.is/AhMsj
https://archive.is/FBc1U
🃏 su -
Je récapitule, parce-que vous ne me semblez pas avoir les idées parfaitement claires.
Vous affirmez : « France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS. »
C'est du présent d'action.
Je vous demande d'apporter des faits qui corroborent cette affirmation et les preuves associées.
C'est tellement simple que vos manœuvres d'évitement manipulatoires me sidèrent.
Il vous reste une (unique) chance de me convaincre.
🃏 su -
Et ne me prenez pas pour un con, cela n'arrange rien à vos affaires.
J'ai terminé, je ne vous répondrai plus jamais, sauf si vous faites ce que je vous ai demandé pour prouver factuellement votre assertion.
GrapheneOS
@multimilliardaire @Fritange Read what's written by the French digital rights non-profit.
GrapheneOS
@multimilliardaire @Fritange The facts and evidence are fully provided in the newspaper articles which are linked. There are 2 articles from Le Parisien with the official position of federal law enforcement in France which is aligned with the French federal government's position. There's also a third article from Le Figaro. What those newspapers did or said themselves isn't important. French law enforcement is making libelous and inaccurate claims while threatening us. That's our sign to leave.
🃏 su -
SORRY, YOUR MANIPULATION DOES NOT WORK WITH CLEVER & WISE PEOPLE.
BYE
🃏 su -
YOU DO NOT PROVIDE FACTS AND EVIDENCE.
THAT ASSERTION IS BULLSHIT.
NOBODY SHOULD TRUST YOU.
BYE
GrapheneOS
@multimilliardaire @Fritange It's provided in the original thread which is linked to at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115575997104456188 and you should also read this thread from a French non-profit defending digital rights, similar to the Electronic Freedom Foundation: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042.
🃏 su -
YOU WROTE THAT :
"France is taking state actions against #GrapheneOS."
PROVIDE FACTS AND EVIDENCE.
NOW AND HERE.
🃏 su -
NO YOU DON'T, AND DID NOT.
YOU ARE LYING, AND BULLSHITTING.
🃏 su -
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES AND IMPLICATIONS ???
🃏 su -
I'm asking YOU to PROVE this ASSERTION.
You DON'T, INDEED.
IF YOUR ARE BULLSHITTERS, NOBODY SHOULD TRUST YOU.
🃏 su -
If you don't, that means that was #bullshit.
If that was #bullshit, you are #bullshitters.
🃏 su -
Can you please provide details on facts related to your assertion "France is taking state actions against #GrapheneOS." @GrapheneOS ?
Of course, you should provide evidence too.
Thanks in advance.
GrapheneOS
@Fritange France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS. They're conflating us with companies which they've previously gone after and taken over their servers. We aren't vulnerable to being attacked in the same way but we still don't want accesses to our website/network services being logged or our website being hijacked. France isn't a safe country for GrapheneOS to operate in anymore and we're going to be protecting the project and our users by avoiding the country completely now.
Remsd1
@GrapheneOS
Un peu extrême comme réaction. En gros "vous avez des cons dans votre pays, allez tous vous faire foutre"...
Dans ce cas, vous pouvez éviter l'Italie, les US, le Royaume-Uni, la Hongrie, .... Et je ne parle pas de Russie, Chine, Inde, ...
Bonne chance dans votre chevauchée solitaire.
GrapheneOS
Our discussion forum, Matrix, Mastodon, etc. in OVH Bearharnois can be moved to local or colocated servers in Toronto instead. We can use Netcup (owned by Anexia, both German) as one of the main providers for website/network service instances. The majority of our servers are already not on OVH.
GrapheneOS
We won't travel to France including avoiding conferences and will avoid having people working in the country too. A simple heuristic for the EU is avoiding countries supporting Chat Control. We genuinely believe we cannot safely operate in France anymore as an open source project privacy project.
GrapheneOS
GrapheneOS doesn't host services storing sensitive user data. We have signature verification and downgrade protection for updates to the OS, apps and app store metadata. We're going move our website and discussion server away from OVH. Our update mirrors and authoritative DNS are already elsewhere.
GrapheneOS
Open source is why we can build GrapheneOS based on the Android Open Source Project. It doesn't make Linus Torvalds, IBM, Google, etc. responsible for what we do. Similarly, others can make their own software based on GrapheneOS. A fork of GrapheneOS contains a small portion of code written by us.
GrapheneOS
France supposedly has a right to reply which we intend to exercise to respond at length to these articles containing libel from the French state.
We're going to be ending the small amount of operations we have in France as we don't feel the country is safe for open source privacy projects anymore.
GrapheneOS
Both Android and iOS try to defend users from the same attack vectors we do. We developed far better protections against exploits which we release as open source code. Open source means anyone can freely use it for any purpose, exactly like the Android Open Source Project used by GrapheneOS itself.
GrapheneOS
Vast majority of the code for those products comes from elsewhere: Android Open Source Project, Linux kernel, Chromium, LLVM and other projects. Of course the non-profit open source project writing a small portion of the code being used by those companies being targeted rather than IBM, Google, etc.
GrapheneOS
GrapheneOS is obtained from https://grapheneos.org/install/web and https://grapheneos.org/releases. There are a bunch of legitimate companies in Europe selling devices with real GrapheneOS including NitroKey. We aren't partnered with those companies and don't get funding from it but there's nothing shady about it.
GrapheneOS
Products using operating systems partially based on our code are not GrapheneOS. There's no such thing as a fake Snapchat app wiping the device in GrapheneOS. It has no remote management or remote wiping built into it. It does not have a subscription fee / licensing system built into it either.
GrapheneOS
The claims the article platforms are conflating closed source products from European companies infringing on our copyright and trademarks with GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS doesn't have the features they claim it does, isn't distributed in the ways they claim and they don't understand open source software.
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