Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Someone was suspended
Death threats? Plain criticism? I didn't investigate
But:
The suspension affects #Blacksky as well
All this talk about the *promise* of #decentralization
But that is not the reality
Cultists buy the promise and ignore the reality
Come to #Mastodon / #Fediverse
Oh we have drama too
Some instance suspend out of capricious bullshit, a Spanish Inquisition
But you still have reach:
We are truly #decentralized
Scott Miller 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
@irelephant @benroyce If one instance can block a user or type of content, and that block eliminates it from view of over 99% of users, then Bluesky is, practically speaking, decentralized in name only.
Mastodon / Fediverse has its own flaws, but practically speaking, it is more decentralized. I’m on one of the bigger instances, but if I didn’t like a policy, I could start a new username on a new instance, port my followers, and more or less continue on as-is.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
great!
i love how you repeat the cultish devotion to promise over reality
truly wonderful
#bluesky is centralized. not technologically, but in implementation
and yet it is your feverish irrational devotion to "maybe someday!" over the simple reality that true #decentralization is already here, for years, on #mastodon/ #fediverse
"but i got it working!"
yes, and i implemented #reddit's code and i'm running a clone of reddit so reddit is not centralized! gotcha!
🤦
cultists
irelephant
@benroyce@mastodon.social What do you define decentralisation as?
From RFC 9518: Centralization, Decentralization, and Internet Standards (2023): [...] "centralization" is the state of affairs where a single entity or a small group of them can observe, capture, control, or extract rent from the operation or use of an Internet function exclusively.[Decentralization is when] "complete reliance upon a single point is not always required" (citing Baran, 1964)[...] federation, i.e., designing a function in a way that uses independent instances that maintain connectivity and interoperability to provide a single cohesive service. So, in the atproto network, people can migrate to other appviews, such as zeppelin.social, or app.wafrn.net when the current one they use makes a shitty decision, without even needing to migrate their account.
You can easily migrate from your pds anyway, and it works better than on mastodon (more seamless, migrates your content as well, can be done when your pds is down).
The network is only centralised if your definition of decentralisation includes spreading users across nodes.
Your reddit analogy falls apart when you consider that reddit is not federated, when bluesky is.
Mastodon and bluesky are both decentralised, and both excel at different things. ActivityPub is flawed in so many ways, that aren't a problem on atproto.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
you're replying to a post in which it is demonstrated that a suspension from #bluesky affects #blacksky
to ignore that, and yet still say what you just said, is rather cultish of you
so, ironic indeed
am i a cultist for championing #mastodon over bluesky?
i can be suspended from your server, calckey.world
doesn't affect my reach with other servers:
the #fediverse is truly #decentralized
meanwhile, i ask you to look at the post above again
because #reality is not a cult
irelephant
@benroyce@mastodon.social The reason the suspension affected blacksky is because they both use the bluesky mod service. Appviews without that (like wafrn) don't have that user suspended.
irelephant
@benroyce@mastodon.social I think calling bluesky users who like atproto cultists is ironic.
The suspension doesn't affect my bluesky servers.
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