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   lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jun-2025 22:43:18 JST lproven

   • David Gerard

   @davidgerard I do not have any firmly-held position on this, but wow... aside from writing about Xlibre bringing out antivaxxers like pale squirming things after lifting a large rock...

   *Sheesh* the personal abuse I've had from the GNOME and Wayland fans after _daring_ to point out problems in their babies.

   I never had to start blocking people on the Fediverse before, but now I do.
   
   Thou Shalt Not Criticise Wayland. It Is The Truth And The Light. Thou mayst Not Criticise GNOME Unless Thou Art One Of The KDE Tribe For That Is The Only Other Clean Tribe In The Eyes Of The Lord.

   The Xlibre followers are often Not Nice People, but the folks that Wayland criticism uncovers are not that much less unpleasant to deal with.

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     Drew 🐘 (dvogel@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jun-2025 22:43:17 JST Drew 🐘

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     • David Gerard

     @lproven @davidgerard I have no love for Weigelt. Quite the opposite. But wow you could not design a better way to kill X than to make Weigelt see himself as a martyr, making news about a fork. Now everyone who prefers to use X over Wayland has to clarify which X distro they associate with. They have reified the Wayland-esque balkanization in X land.

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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jun-2025 22:43:17 JST lproven

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     • David Gerard
     • Drew 🐘

     @dvogel @davidgerard Could well be and that's a damned shame.

     But I hope some alternative doses become available. Apart from the fact that there's nothing that runs via Wayland that I would be willing to use, frankly the Wayland people are alienating me fast.

     It seems like a system designed by kids who don't know how to use mice or keyboards properly for other kids with keen eyes, almost with the goal of pissing off old timers.

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     Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jun-2025 22:43:17 JST Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

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     • David Gerard
     • Drew 🐘

     @lproven @dvogel @davidgerard and you continue to complain about "ad hominem attacks" when you speak about developers like this, it's pathetic

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     Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jun-2025 02:57:42 JST Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

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     • David Gerard
     • Drew 🐘

     @lproven @dvogel @davidgerard there's a difference between honest, and just coming across like an arse dude, you should know better than this being in the industry on both sides

     I'm British, I'm well aware of our ways, you're nor being funny or sarcy, just repeatedly rude and dismissive about developers

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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jun-2025 02:57:43 JST lproven

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     • Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
     • David Gerard
     • Drew 🐘

     @gamingonlinux @dvogel @davidgerard

     I speak as I find. I am not being mean or nasty. I am being _honest_.

     A lot of people are not used to that, especially younger ones, and especially Americans.

     That is not my problem; it is theirs. In my world, honesty and openness are good things.

     It is not just in FOSS: it's equally true of modern releases of MS Windows and MS Office, for instance.