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   The Psychotic Network Ferret (nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jun-2025 06:39:14 JST The Psychotic Network Ferret

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   • Uberbrady
   • Risotto Bias

   @risottobias @uberbrady

   1) You don't "upgrade" to IPv6, you offer it inline with IPv4. It has never been a forklift replacement (there is another rule about this).

   2) I have worked for numerous ISPs over the years, big and small. Way more than three I can tell you, and the small ones are almost always the ones pushing IPv6 hardest, because CGNAT is fucking expensive. The big ISPs are the ones who are ignoring it. I've only worked for one small ISP that was opposed to it, and their attitude changed when they ran out of IPv4 space, and saw their choices. CGNAT or buy more space on the open market.

   So I hear you on that side, not everyone can get native IPv6. That is a true issue.

   But holy hell, the number of networks I have worked at where we pushed IPv6 without incident damn near everywhere. And then I'd get a call escalated to me from some IT "pro" demanding I remove IPv6 support from his service because it wasn't ready for production use and how dare I enable for it our customers.

   I had working native IPv6 on TWC in 2016 when I ordered the service. When Spectrum bought TWC, they actually ripped out IPv6 support. I didn't get it back until last year.

   The dumbassery is everywhere, and none of it is IPv6s fault. It's shitastic people.

   Oh, and I just caught that claim about IPv6 being pricey.

   BULL FUCKING SHIT. Pure and utter nonsense.

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     Risotto Bias (risottobias@toot.risottobias.org)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jun-2025 06:39:18 JST Risotto Bias

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     • Uberbrady

     @nuintari @uberbrady "show me the incompatibility" seems to be like a graphics artist with a huge 4k monitor and fiber internet, with 32gb RAM, and 16 cores.

     I'll show you the incompatibility.

     ordinary human mortals run on ISPs that WILL NEVER upgrade to IPv6, because it's pricey. I've known 3 employees (1 as a personal friend) who explicitly said hell would freeze over first.

     So, no, you're absolutely dead wrong.

     it will always be incompatible with average users, on cheap ISPs. (or, users)

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     The Psychotic Network Ferret (nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jun-2025 06:39:19 JST The Psychotic Network Ferret

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     • Uberbrady
     • Risotto Bias

     @uberbrady @risottobias Okay, show me this vaunted incompatibility that is apparently everywhere. Name me an even remotely modern operating system that doesn't support IPv6. Show me on the protocol doll which modern protocols haven't had IPv6 for years now. Show me a modern application that doesn't support IPv6 that isn't also a horrendously closed off and proprietary solution. APIs, libraries, utilities, documentation, IPv6 support is in all of it and has been for _well_ north of a decade now.

     You can run dual-stack, you can run 6to4 translation, you can go full hog wild native, you can tunnel it. YOU HAVE OPTIONS FOR DEPLOYMENT, and none of them will break your shit unless you are beyond careless and clueless.

     I've worked for three ISPs that have successfully deployed IPv6 to end users and core services. You know the hardest customers to get connected in v6? IT professionals who think they know networking. If it ships with IPv6 on, they will turn it off. If it ships off, it's gonna stay that way. They don't think they need it, they don't understand, and they don't want to understand it. IT professionals who don't want to learn anything new are the single biggest obstacle remaining to IPv6 adoption. I've been fighting for heavy adoption of IPv6 for over 15 years now, and the uphill battle has always been bullshit beliefs and abject laziness from barely competent IT professionals.

     Don't even get me started on the blight that is the modern MSP.

     Sorry if that was a bit harsh, I'm tired of this argument, plus I just got off a truly irritating phone call. You'll forgive me if I don't check for spelling and skipped words.

     tl;dr: you are right, you are wrong, you are very wrong.

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     Uberbrady (uberbrady@social.uberbrady.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jun-2025 06:39:21 JST Uberbrady

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     • Risotto Bias

     @nuintari @risottobias I agree on point #1 - in many cases it's _less_ complicated. But the second point; I don't think so. And thus I don't buy point #3. Would that be something you would want to expound on? Also fair if no.

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     The Psychotic Network Ferret (nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Jun-2025 06:39:22 JST The Psychotic Network Ferret

     nuintari's rules of networking 0x2e:

     IPv6 is not more complicated than IPv4, nor does it suffer from compatibility problems. People who still believe these myths are simply being obstinate.