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   ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:20 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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   • Zardoz
   I did a few hogs in college, but I knew better than to tell people about it. 😒
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     Zardoz (zardoz@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:21 JST Zardoz

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     • PamelaDrew
     neighbor and I are doing some hogs this year! we got dibs on the brew mash from the local brewery! I’m going to hit up the wineries for grape mash this fall too.
     
     going to do a couple mangalitsas for the omega3 lard too.
     
     yum!
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     PamelaDrew (pameladrew@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:22 JST PamelaDrew

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     • Zardoz
     If it stayed in the labs maybe but in the wild it's reckless insanity with untold downstream effects that are always a spectrum of harms to all living things along the food chain.. the original Roundup Ready strains were made with gene guns where they actually fired at spots and one success in thousands of tries voila.. literally brute force change but you can't fool Mother Nature and synthetics will never be suitable as foods & likely harmful as novel protein sources.. keep farming angel!
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     Zardoz (zardoz@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:23 JST Zardoz

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     • ontheway
     I am definitely starting to think that GMO, is just pure flim-flamery.
     
     
     The labs are not going to be able to improve an organism by gene editing. They simply don’t understand how everything in the natural world is interconnected…
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     ontheway (ontheway@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:29 JST ontheway

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     • cement_angel

     My doctor told me years ago that Sockeye Salmon is non-GMO (and recommended Costco's offerings). A quick Search on Brave browser brought up this result from its AI Leo:

     As of now, there is no genetically modified (GM) sockeye salmon available on the market. The only genetically modified salmon that has been approved for human consumption is the AquAdvantage salmon, which is a genetically engineered Atlantic salmon developed by AquaBounty Technologies.

     And here's a piece of good news, especially for Canadians, where labeling as GMO of salmon was not required.

     https://cban.ca/gm-salmon-company-aquabounty-shuts-down-operations/

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     • ontheway
     ”marginal difference…..none is fit as food”
     
     That is my position right there.
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     PamelaDrew (pameladrew@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:31 JST PamelaDrew

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     • ontheway
     Yes the fish farms have a full spectrum of unhealthy elements including biotech food & chemically treated water in confined spaces like CAFO for water creatures but it is not pure novel protein glop which in the end may be a marginal difference.. none is fit as food.
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     Zardoz (zardoz@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:32 JST Zardoz

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     • ontheway
     I will say even calling this glop “meat” is part of the enchantment.
     
     Meat comes from an animal, and an animal is a product—an extension even—of an environment. Farmed Salmon has to be dyed pink because it is white, and unrecognizable as “salmon”. Farmed salmon is already an abomination, and it is at least a real animal. Lab-grown fish protein cannot and should not be called meat, or salmon or food for that matter.
     
     ”You are what you eat,” is about more than just physical, matter—it is connection to life. Life nourishes life, and everthing else causes cancer.
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     cement_angel (cement_angel@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:33 JST cement_angel

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     • ontheway
     The quote about the agency having “no questions at this time” implies that the Lab Made Fake Salmon was just pushed through without any evaluation at all, which is not true. As you can see (pdf link below) questions were put forth and answers given.
     
     In no way am I defending this Fake Salmon, but several questions were asked by the FDA and guidelines 'recommended'. Were there enough/appropriate questions to determine that the Fake Salmon should be considered “as safe as comparable foods produced by other methods”? I have no idea.
     
     However, if anyone would take the time to read some of these questions and Wildtype’s answers, most assuredly they would never consider consuming this monstrosity of a meat.
     
     One of Wildtype’s answers:
     "Given the baseline expression of mesenchymal lineage genes (as described in the response to Question 4 above), the theoretical potential for differentiation into these cell types exists. This is unlikely
     for several reasons. ... differentiation is a complex process that depends upon defined sequences of gene expression changes, a conducive extracellular substrate, and often a nutrient media that promotes differentiation; none of these are part of Wildtype’s production process, and the company has not observed spontaneously differentiated cells in any of its harvested cell material to
     date. Finally, even if the company’s production cells were to undergo spontaneous differentiation, all possible differentiation lineages for this mesenchymal cell line (i.e. fat, muscle, connective tissue) are
     regularly found in conventional salmon."
     
     https://www.fda.gov/media/186756/download
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     PamelaDrew (pameladrew@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:34 JST PamelaDrew

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     • ontheway
     Biotech/gmo foods are never approved it's a brilliant fraud from Bush Sr/Quayle admin "framework of deregulation" exploited by perpetual revolving door dirtbag Monsanto-FDA- Obama Biotech Czar evil genius Michael Taylor who created a loophole called "substantial equivalent" where a short list of nutrients, fiber, calories etc are compared to GRAS foods and if it's close to the same FDA consultation is complete.. it is not FDA tested or approved just cursory review of seller provided data..
     
     "“We’re proud to share that we completed a thorough pre-market safety consultation with [the] FDA,” Wildtype said in its announcement along with a link to the agency’s response letter.
     
     FDA’s Director Office of Food Chemical Safety, Dietary Supplements, and Innovation Human Foods Program confirmed the agency has “no questions at this time” about Wildtype’s “cultured salmon cell material,” and described it “as safe as comparable foods produced by other methods.”
     
     As The Verge notes, such consultations are entirely voluntary for companies, but can still serve as a means to boost consumer confidence and help legitimize a product." https://web.archive.org/web/20250609194747/https://www.popsci.com/environment/lab-grown-salmon/
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     ontheway (ontheway@gigaohm.bio)'s status on Monday, 16-Jun-2025 12:15:35 JST ontheway
     Another disappointing approval by the FDA.
     
     https://www.popsci.com/environment/lab-grown-salmon/