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   ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 01:28:06 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

   > download some heinous Eclipse-based vendor SDK
   > create a project using its built-in wizard
   > the project doesn't build because there are no required include files

   what did i expect.

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 04:53:16 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     yo dawg i heard you like xml so i put xml in your xml

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 04:55:30 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     this sdk is absolutely vile by the way. top 3 worst vendor abominations i've ever touched

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     sayrer (sayrer@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 05:52:29 JST sayrer

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     @whitequark this is how AWS JSON notifications work. it is really cheap, though

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 06:39:23 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     it is not possible to flash a microcontroller. Not possible to run code on one

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:08:21 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric haven't had the chance! I can install it to compare, I'll do that unless I get distracted

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     Richard Hendricks (hendric@astronomy.city)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:08:22 JST Richard Hendricks

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     @whitequark Yeesh. Have you ever tried the one from Silicon Labs, Simplicity Studio? We've tried hard to improve the UX for it, I hope we're not this boneheaded.

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:10:01 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • srslypascal

     @srslypascal I think it gets a lot worse than this. I mean, at least it doesn't have an AES decryptor in the C preprocessor

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     srslypascal (srslypascal@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:10:04 JST srslypascal

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     @whitequark

     This surprises me a bit, I have always assumed NXP to be a vendor having above somewhat average SDKs (albeit this was based solely upon other people's accounts). 🤔

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:58:35 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric
     - requires registration to download the application
     + it comes as an archive with a small setup.sh, not some giant shell self-extracting installer
     - setup.sh doesn't work
     - why does it need wine??
     - why does it need host libqt5network5 despite having its own copy of qt??? on my version of debian it isn't installable any more
     + at least it runs anyway if i just run ./studio
     + the UI respects my system theme and scaling

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:59:01 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric
     ~ asks for wine again, fails to install (but this is probably just my system being weird)
     - after trying to create a demo project the entire thing hangs. like the window stops drawing. i waited for several minutes

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 20:59:11 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric conclusion: i'm afraid not

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 21:01:44 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric oh, after i wrote this, it actually managed to finish whatever it was that it was doing without bothering to redraw its window. i know what happened: when the system file descriptor limit is set to a large value, it tries to call close() on every one of them when running a subprocess. in my case it's 600 million system calls

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 21:02:08 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric i ran build for an example project and... it can't find include files :)

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 23:36:09 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric to try and triage the issues I hit:
     - it _really_ should not be relying on system libqt5network5, this seems simply wrong
     - relying on system wine is not _awful_ but shipping your own is easy and more reliable (Steam made sure this is possible); the installation issues I encountered are down to having a mixed Debian stable/testing system
     - the JVM should be using close_range() syscall when spawning subprocesses when on Linux, this is a HotSpot issue

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     Richard Hendricks (hendric@astronomy.city)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 23:36:10 JST Richard Hendricks

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     @whitequark Well I shall talk to the appropriate devs. 🏏🏏🏏

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 23:36:51 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric
     - no idea what went wrong with the EFM32 SDK, I created a new project for the Gecko (polling SPI master) and picked the only available option for all of the 4 questions the wizard asked

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 23:39:25 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric I do appreciate though that the generated code is compact and easy to understand, and the Eclipse UI isn't overloaded with stuff you barely need but which makes navigating it impossible; provided it actually compiles code, I think it would be reasonably usable day to day

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-May-2025 23:49:18 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     it's also embedding YAML in comments in C code

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     Sludge (sludgephd@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-May-2025 00:34:05 JST Sludge

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     @whitequark this one's forgivable IMO

     The XML-in-XML is not

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-May-2025 00:37:41 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric it's... a matter of taste I suppose

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     Richard Hendricks (hendric@astronomy.city)'s status on Tuesday, 27-May-2025 00:37:42 JST Richard Hendricks

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     @whitequark I mean, that's kinda good. 🙂

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-May-2025 00:43:43 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     • Richard Hendricks

     @hendric (I think a device-tree-style data-driven approach is much, much nicer in long term than code generation)

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     ✧✦Catherine✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-May-2025 01:12:47 JST ✧✦Catherine✦✧

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     why is this a warning