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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Sunday, 11-May-2025 18:31:39 JST Aral Balkan

   • aaron

   “Linux ‘just works’ – if you can see.
   …
   This isn’t a bug.
   This is neglect.”

   – @fireborn

   https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-1-built-for-control-but-not-for-people/

   (And its ableist culture will sooner make you the villain for criticising it rather than acknowledging the failing and fixing the status quo. https://ar.al/2024/06/23/fedora-has-been-shipping-with-a-broken-screen-reader-for-nine-years-but-the-real-problem-is-me/ There’s a reason I’m back on Mac after six years on Linux. As a developer, it was impacting my ability to make what I’m building accessible. And I reject the unspoken premise that the source being open is somehow more important than the human right to universal access. Ethical technology requires more than just the “four freedoms” https://web.archive.org/web/20250418090901/https://ind.ie/ethical-design/ This is why inclusivity is a core Small Technology principle. https://small-tech.org/about/#small-technology)

   #accessibility #inclusivity #universalAccess #a11y #linux #FOSS #openSource #freeSoftware #freedom

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:05:21 JST 翠星石

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     • aaron
     @aral @fireborn >You're back on 100% proprietary software.
     Colour me surprised.
     
     
     The issue has nothing to do with the kernel, Linux - it's an issue with Fedora (just don't use that proprietary distro then).
     
     It's not really relevant, but the kernel, Linux doesn't even follow the 4 freedoms, as it's proprietary software.
     
     Last time I checked the screen reader on Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre seems to work.
     
     The Emacs OS also has a screen reader (good luck getting it to compile though).
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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:05 JST Aral Balkan

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     • razze

     @razze @fireborn It wasn’t a claim, it was my experience. Unless they’ve fixed the Orca modifier key, you cannot navigate a page to test it with a screen reader. How did you do it under Wayland? The screen reader experience is an interactive one; it’s not just having it read the whole page in a linear fashion.

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     razze (razze@osna.social)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:21 JST razze

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     • aaron

     @fireborn @aral I was mostly confused, by aral claiming, that nobody could test their websites for accessibility when running linux.

     kinda thought the accessibility of flutter was more of a problem, when it comes to linux.

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     aaron (fireborn@dragonscave.space)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:23 JST aaron

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     • razze

     @razze @aral I'm not saying you did; sorry if I came across that way. I was just informing you that since that other post about fedora shipping with a broken screen reader was made, it has been fixed. For the gnome version.

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     razze (razze@osna.social)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:24 JST razze

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     • aaron

     @fireborn @aral I have zero knowledge about non gnome spins, regarding accessibility and I never claimed that

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     aaron (fireborn@dragonscave.space)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:25 JST aaron

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     • razze

     @razze @aral Okay, the installer works in workstation. Not in any other spins, like the Mate spin that blind users tend to gravitate towards.

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     aaron (fireborn@dragonscave.space)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:26 JST aaron

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     • razze

     @razze @aral Fedora has improved a lot. The installer now works, but there are still fundamental issues that aren't the fault of the Fedora maintainers; it's just the way the stack is right now.

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     razze (razze@osna.social)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:08:28 JST razze

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     • aaron

     @aral @fireborn this is puzzling to me, I'm on fedora and have had some specific browser screenreader things to test at the end of last year and it just worked. At least from the pov of a sighted.

     I know there are big efforts to modernize the whole accessability stack, driven by the gnome team and the stf. You are probably right and we should be mad it's not IBM spending their money on it.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:32:57 JST Aral Balkan

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     • razze

     @razze @fireborn Did you actually follow the link in my post?

     Fedora 22, released May 26, 2015:

     “The default display server for the GNOME Display Manager being Wayland instead of Xorg”

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_release_history#Fedora_22

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     razze (razze@osna.social)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:32:59 JST razze

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     @aral @fireborn I also find the 8/9 year claim misleading - as you first claim the important part is the default being wayland, but then quote the year of wayland introduction, where it wasn't default and you would still end up booting into X11.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:34:43 JST Aral Balkan

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     • razze

     @fireborn @razze That’s good to hear, at least.

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     aaron (fireborn@dragonscave.space)'s status on Monday, 12-May-2025 00:34:44 JST aaron

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     • razze

     @aral @razze This just works now. As seemlessly as it does under x11, at least with Gnome. Not with anything else though.

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     Haris Razis (xrazis@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 04:46:36 JST Haris Razis

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     @aral we take sight for granted and we often disregard accessibility.

     This got me questioning how do blind programmers code and I bumped on this interesting post I'd like to share.

     https://www.parhamdoustdar.com/2016/04/03/tools-of-blind-programmer/

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 04:46:36 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Haris Razis

     @xrazis And to think that was written ten years ago and the state of things is not all that different today.