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   fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:20 JST fastfinge
   Jami could be a skype replacement if only accessibility was cross-platform: Jami is a fully peer to peer chat application that supports text and video, but is only #accessible on mobile: stuff.interfree.ca/2025/05/08/jami.html
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:13 JST feld

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     @fastfinge @pixelate @clv0 @delta
     
     > Technology like dht is well set up to allow for messaging without any gatekeepers or middlemen.
     
     DHT is a really bad single point of failure. All it takes is a bad actor to flood it with fake data and the entire system falls apart for everyone under the load.
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     fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:14 JST fastfinge

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     @delta @clv0 @pixelate I’m pretty uncomfortable with how delta still sends all messages via a central server, and how it makes email protocols do things they were never intended to do. History shows this always leads to suboptimal designs. Technology like dht is well set up to allow for messaging without any gatekeepers or middlemen. Never the less, thanks for caring about accessibility! Blind folks need to be able to use what our friends use, whatever that turns out to be.
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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:16 JST Delta Chat

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     @fastfinge @clv0 @pixelate No, Delta does not need a central server. One can use any #chatmail or classic e-mail server. Moreover, there is a P2P-system in-built, see https://delta.chat/en/2024-11-20-webxdc-realtime

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     fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:17 JST fastfinge

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     @clv0 @pixelate @delta So delta needs a central server, and everything goes through that. Jami doesn't.
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     Cleverson (clv0@cwb.social)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 04:48:19 JST Cleverson

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     @pixelate @fastfinge I don't know the differences between the two, but @delta is said to be accessible (I haven't myself tried it yet).

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 06:26:41 JST feld

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     @fastfinge @pixelate @clv0 @delta yes but those are not being attacked by a government to censor dissidents. It's not important enough; it's not a threat to the status quo.
     
     As soon as you give them a reason to do so, they will, and it will fall over.
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     fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 06:26:43 JST fastfinge

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     @feld @pixelate @clv0 @delta It seems to work in practice though: trackerless torrents, ipfs, etc.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 06:38:24 JST feld

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     @fastfinge @pixelate @clv0 @delta
     
     > And if our only plan to decentralize is "let good people (TM) run the servers for you or learn selfhosting", we're just never going to get anywhere.
     
     That's why DeltaChat works the way it does. If you're a dissident in Russia, they can (and do) block Signal. They can and do successfully block services that rely on Tor.
     
     But the Kremlin can't block all email without destroying their own ability to operate. So while they can block/censor private email servers, they will never shutdown providers important to their own economy like Yandex. So you can use DeltaChat with Yandex to successfully setup E2EE communication channels.
     
     Email is basically a "utility" that has to be available for governments, economies, and the internet to be useful. That's why DeltaChat is leveraging it.
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     fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 06:38:26 JST fastfinge

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     @feld @pixelate @clv0 @delta I think the RIAA and MPAA would disagree. The large multinationals are, at this point, unfortunately both bigger and better resourced than governments. And if our only plan to decentralize is "let good people (TM) run the servers for you or learn selfhosting", we're just never going to get anywhere.
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     fastfinge (fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 13-May-2025 09:40:46 JST fastfinge

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     Update: without any outreach, advocacy, or prompting on my part, I received an email from one of the #Jami developers letting me know that they're aware of the #accessibility issues with the desktop application and are working on fixing them. I have updated my original post with the text of the email: stuff.interfree.ca/2025/05/08/jami.html #a11y
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