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   cy (cy@fedicy.us.to)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 12:55:13 JST cy
   @delta / #deltaChat is not using #XMPP+#OMEMO (unlike #monoclesChat & #gajim) but #PGP/MIME on regular #eMail,
   ...wait, why not just email people and use PGP, then?
   
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 12:55:08 JST iced depresso

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     • Matthias
     @ulfi @cy @kkarhan they consider email to be an implementation detail. its used because its widely already there and they didn't want to invent yet more standards.
     
     though in recent news posts they talk about de-emphasizing the email part because its marketing poorly with the zoomers
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     Matthias (ulfi@nerdculture.de)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 12:55:10 JST Matthias

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     @cy @kkarhan How many people do you know who like the user experience of email and PGP? ;)

     My friends and family like the user experience of delta chat.

     Which transport a messenger is using (email, xmpp, whatever) is not that important to a user I think.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 16:02:32 JST iced depresso

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     • Matthias
     @cy @kkarhan @ulfi > they're not following any standard
     
     they do. SMTP for the transport, AutoCrypt secures messages, and in-chat apps (WebXDC) use a peer to peer protocol they didn't invent. it's all stuff that they didn't make, they just put it together from what was already out there.
     
     even "chatmail" servers are just dovecot boxes that have some special configs. you can set it up yourself (and i've been using it on a pretty limp dovecot box that i set up years ago.)
     
     i do like XMPP though. the websocket specs for XMPP fix one of the biggest bees for me (the lack of proper packet framing) since that layer does add packet sizes (vs xmpp's original spec that expects you to just ring buffer XML in to a parser with no idea of where anything begins and ends and hope for the best.)
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     cy (cy@fedicy.us.to)'s status on Wednesday, 07-May-2025 16:02:34 JST cy

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     • Matthias
     No reason to use email at all, really. They're not following any standard. It's like saying use websockets, because you don't want to reinvent http, except that you could just use TCP sockets, and not have http at all.
     
     CC: @kkarhan@infosec.space @ulfi@nerdculture.de