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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:02:20 JST Fish of Rage
   I only learned recently that a lot of programmers can't work a computer or server at all, they literally can only program
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:06:54 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     @sun literally me
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:10:51 JST Fish of Rage

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     @piggo @Hyperhidrosis I argued the other day that a little mental friction teaches users to think for themselves which makes them better at everything, and everybody disagreed with me. I was right
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     Piggo :verified_horse: (piggo@piggo.space)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:10:53 JST Piggo :verified_horse:

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     @Hyperhidrosis @sun surprisingly i have "fixed" windows more than once despite not using the OS at all. maybe linux conditions u to some analytical thinking standard users dont need
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:15:10 JST Fish of Rage

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     @Hyperhidrosis @piggo realistically complex software can't just not have a learning curve. at any rate I admit that my opinion is heterodox but Im sticking to it
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:15:11 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     @sun @piggo professor taught me, a good software design includes taking as much of the mental load off of the user as possible. They should just know what to do which is why a lot of websites are minimal.
     
     This is also why applications like fl studio, photoshop, etc have classes people take to learn instead of exploring for themselves.
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     Another Linux Walt Alt (lnxw37b2@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:18:06 JST Another Linux Walt Alt

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     @sun Yes, you're 100% right. If you lay in bed all the time, you'll eventually lose the ability to stand and walk. If you consistently avoid any sort of mental effort, you'll lose the ability to use your brain to solve any kind of problem.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:18:56 JST Fish of Rage

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     @Hyperhidrosis @piggo yes I consider this learned helplessness
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     Hyperhidrosis (hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:18:57 JST Hyperhidrosis

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     @sun @piggo you're right about developers needing critical thinking and computer literacy but for everyone else they can't be bothered learning more than necessary.
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     Another Linux Walt Alt (lnxw37b2@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 08:21:44 JST Another Linux Walt Alt

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     @Hyperhidrosis @sun @piggo Photoshop classes are because that is a horrendous beast to self-teach.
     
     $FORMER_EMPLOYER bought Adobe licenses for certain people, who then came to IT (me, who had never even touched it) expecting a quick course in how to use it. They were very clear that IT was never going to get licenses.
     
     They eventually brought someone that used it out from headquarters to give them some instruction.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 09:24:21 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun there is some relatively tech illiterate programmers and I don't get it
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     Maija (maija@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 09:24:29 JST Maija

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     @sun and it works in the reverse too (i cant program for shit)
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     Rain (rain@melonbread.dev)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 09:24:51 JST Rain

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     @sun @piggo @Hyperhidrosis The best class I ever had in high school was this remedial math class I found myself in (long story. not actually bad at math), where the teacher taught almost ZERO math but critical thinking and problem solving skills. Like week one or two this dude shows us wolfram alpha and said the need to memorize formulas is the thing of the past for most people is in the past. He really pushed problem solving skills that have helped me in many facets in life and technology.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 10:15:08 JST iced depresso

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     @cell @sun :comfystare: i did all those things and people wouldn't let me have job.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 10:15:09 JST cell classic

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     @sun every time someone posts something about surprising computer illiteracy amongst a specific group i think to myself:
     “yes this is an opportunity and yes this means i can still be employed somewhere” :hehcat:
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     Hollow Cанëк (solidsanek@outerheaven.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 14:52:06 JST Hollow Cанëк

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     @sun During my first tech job, I've had someone telling me straight up that they do NOT want to learn anything outside of their programming language. Not that they do not want to be given tasks outside of their job position, but that they refuse to bother with anything that isn't programming. It was also the kind of person who would get complain that you can't drag and drop PHP projects on some servers like in the good ol days.
     Last time I checked what they're up to, they're linkedinmaxxing by making blog posts like "What is NPM?" Which feel like they've been written by a junior who got given this question as an assignment with only 2 hours to write it. And yes, this person is supposed to be having 5 times more experience than I in tech
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 27-Apr-2025 22:09:57 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @coolboymew @sun 20 years ago the dude that suddenly replaced my superior who had been absent for 18 months was absolutely illiterate about administration and hardware diagnosis/maintenance, maybe because he just had his diploma like a week ago and all he did was theory and not a work-study training like I did.
     He gave me one hell of a last 3 months.
     Ok programmer tho. Only could do dotnet but it fixed some issues with the shitty software we had.
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