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   mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 20:50:23 JST mhoye

   Hey quick question: vibe coding is bad, but recycling the whole “real programmer” ethos is probably worse, so if we want computing to be accessible and our reactions to ML to not be literally reactionary, what’ll it be?

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     Mr Salteena is not quite a gentleman (stephen@microbe.vital.org.nz)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 20:50:22 JST Mr Salteena is not quite a gentleman

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     @mhoye not being shitty about people building things with Excel would be a good start... I would love an "intro to programming" pathway that starts with spreadsheets and formulas because it's actually just functional programming, but with a tool most people in a business computing environment already know and kind of understand. And if they don't like it, at least they'll be better at spreadsheets!
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     JP (jplebreton@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 20:51:22 JST JP

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     @mhoye the early stages of a programming education are to be celebrated and valued, they are important moments of discovery and consciousness-building that reverberate over decades, even if their actual products are rudimentary. vibe coding sucks insofar as it treats this entire period - the very process of learning how to think - as unnecessary/undesirable, an annoyance to skip past, and by extension that the details and deep intentions of a codebase don't matter, are interchangeable.

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     allison (aparrish@friend.camp)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 20:51:37 JST allison

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     @mhoye learning how to program is learning how to do the real work of understanding systems and caring for people