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   Ekaitz Zarraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 17:10:38 JST Ekaitz Zarraga 👹

   @zimoun I think it's very difficult to find someone as committed with free software as RMS is.

   I think we are lucky in Guix to have a leader, but I don't think GNU has someone else.

   • Abhiseck Paira :gnu: repeated this.
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     Giacomo Tesio (giacomo@snac.tesio.it)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 17:10:37 JST Giacomo Tesio

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     @ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
     
     The #Guix leaders are indeed the reason I don't even give it a try despite some great people like you working on it.
     
     I will reconsider when I'll read a public apology for this personal attack to a neurodivergent #hacker such as #RMS.
     
     It worth to remember how that "joint stab in the back" was published while RMS was under attack because he dared defend Minsky's memory from the same sort of mob justice that was then redirected (and amplified on #BigTech social media) against RMS himself.
     
     Some of those "leaders" who signed that "joint statement" a couple years later signed an even worse attack built on top of lies.
     
     These sort of personal attacks have clear political goals, "incidentally" aligned with BigTech interests.
     
     Now @zimoun@sciences.re could try to sort me among #Stallman fanboys to reinforce his beliefs, but in fact I'm pretty critical of RMS work: ultimately I think he based free software on a cold-war biased ideology, without a proper balance between communion (aka sharing strongly protected commons) and freedom. This huge error left space to #opensource and to the current use of #FreeSoftware by all sort of large corporations to abuse and subdue people.
     Another (related) issue has been the total lack of a cohesive architectural design for #GNU system: RMS was too (inconsciously) fond of free market ideology to lead the movement's technically, and this lack of cohordination was turned by #ESR to the "bazaar" (not so subtle) sublimation of free market, to ease corporate exploitation of the high skilled labour of #hackers.
     
     But in fact, with all of his political errors, he's still the most coherent and commited free software activist out there.
     
     So I will consider Guix again when they will publish a joint apology with the same visibility the back-stab had in 2019.
     
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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 21:17:16 JST Janneke

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     • Ludovic Courtès
     • Giacomo Tesio

     @giacomo @ekaitz_zarraga there has not been an attack on RMS by @civodul or anyone else afaik in the Guix project.

     Yes, a call to reform GNU organisationally to secure it's future and make it thrive again instead of slowly die, has been framed that way, and also as leaving behind GNU values, both of which are evil frames who apparently seek to destroy or divide Guix, GNU, or both.

     Please don't believe the lies of the trolls.

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     Ekaitz Zarraga 👹 (ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 21:17:18 JST Ekaitz Zarraga 👹

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     • Giacomo Tesio

     @giacomo I do like the Guix leadership (I consider Ludovic the leader of the project, mostly).
     They don't share my opinions about RMS and so on, that's fine.

     I don't like the way Stallman has been attacked by his personal views or the pedofilia allegations. I'm not a religious person, I don't need a saint to pray for. RMS is a person, and has flaws (we all do). The guy is weird, but in free software matters, we can trust him.

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     Giacomo Tesio (giacomo@snac.tesio.it)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 21:17:18 JST Giacomo Tesio

     in reply to
     @ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
     
     Indeed if you were leading #Guix, I'd likely be a user and contributor (I think you know I have the technical skills required).
     
     And I also know other people working there, people I respect despite not being always aligned with their opinion (for example I had a long debate with a friend that work on Guix a few months ago about the right to be mentioned with the preferred name by a transitioned trans developer whose code was archived with their dead-name and #SoftwareHeritage was refusing to update. I think hackers have the right to be named as they wish in their works and no script, tool or hash chain matter more than this right).
     
     Yet there's a huge difference between a technical or even philosophical argument and a (politically motivated) personal attack in form of a shitstorm.
     
     Courtès might even be the best #scheme hacker out there, with a solid architectural vision of how to make #linux more reliable.
     
     But I chose free software for political goals that he actively damaged with that attack to RMS.
     
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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 22:18:23 JST Janneke

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     • Giacomo Tesio

     @giacomo @ekaitz_zarraga If you, like many others did, want to lump our attempt to save GNU together with efforts of others, and enjoy the viewpoint of making Guix guilty by --- not even by association but by something like --- acting within the same time frame or possibly from a similar cause as people who did unacceptable things, I don't really know if I can or even want to try to counter that.