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   Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 00:48:09 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   So wish Rust wouldn't be such a disaster in terms of full-source bootstrapping and packaging…
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 04:08:05 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @11backslashes Yeah although I'll believe it when I'll see it adopted and followed by two implementations.
     And sadly spec won't really change the packaging bit.
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     \\\\\\\\\\\ (11backslashes@social.unx.pw)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 04:08:25 JST \\\\\\\\\\\

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     @lanodan At least they're finally working on a spec. I think it will come in time.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 04:17:10 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @11backslashes The ton of micro-libraries à la npm making it insane to package them individually, and them being version-locked by applications.
     
     Which pretty much means rust ecosystem makes security backports/version-bumps much harder than it's otherwise.
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     \\\\\\\\\\\ (11backslashes@social.unx.pw)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 04:17:31 JST \\\\\\\\\\\

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     @lanodan What's the trouble with packaging it, if you don't mind me asking?
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     \\\\\\\\\\\ (11backslashes@social.unx.pw)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 05:42:01 JST \\\\\\\\\\\

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     @lanodan Ah, I thought you were originally referring to the language itself and not programs. I hate the npm-esque nightmare of cargo as well. You would think that after the left-pad debacle, people would avoid this supply chain anti-pattern at all costs.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 03-Apr-2025 06:07:41 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @11backslashes yeah, or things like heartbleed/log4shell/… where patching the libraries fast really matters.
     
     And I don't think I care much about the language feature/grammar of rust or even most languages in general. Ecosystem matters so much more in actually making use of them.