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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 01:35:26 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   You can hardly find a studio the works of which are so thoughtful, kind, and intentional as Studio Ghibli. To stripmine that for its aesthetics, to take a piece of cardboard and paint it like food and say "See, doesn't this taste just as good?" is more than missing the point, it's barbaric, dystopian. It's an insult to life itself. #OpenAI

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     Eye (grb090423@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 01:43:48 JST Eye

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     @Gargron

     Well said!

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     erica_sea55 (erica_sea55@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 04:36:40 JST erica_sea55

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     @Gargron it’s also like the science fiction idea of a meal in a pill

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 05:13:09 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Satya Benson

     @satchlj “Getting the chance to make something”—don’t be ridiculous, there is no bar to making art except effort. Pick up a pencil, look up tutorials online and start drawing. And the idea that telling ChatGPT to produce some slop for you is “making” it is delusional. Are you a cook because you pick ingredients for your sandwich at a fast food place?

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     Satya Benson (satchlj@schelling.pt)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 05:13:10 JST Satya Benson

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     @Gargron

     The negative reaction to lots of non-artists getting the chance to make something they find aesthetically nice and imitating a style they admire is insane.

     No person who types a few words into ChatGPT is going to start thinking of themself as better than Miyazaki.

     I can understand criticizing the way OpenAI is profiting from this, but please don't call regular people trying out a new tool barbaric and dystopian.

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     derek (g6meboi@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 06:19:25 JST derek

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     @Gargron even if casual users were unaware of the history leading to this moment, OpenAI was fully aware. It’s a personal attack

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     ziacik (ziacik@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 06:38:13 JST ziacik

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     @Gargron

     Constantly crying over AI and especially openai is a meaningless waste of time.

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     Fat_Farang (fat_farang@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 06:40:02 JST Fat_Farang

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     @Gargron AI Luddites Unite!

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:23:54 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • normy foxyoreos
     • Satya Benson

     @satchlj @foxyoreos This is a common tactic among AI advocates and it is disingenious. Photography as an art form revolves around documenting reality, which immediately puts it at odds with generative AI, which has no concept of reality and can only regurgitate amalgamations of stolen artworks. Furthermore, the camera does not make the photo. The camera does not make the choice of where the photographer goes, where they point it, how they arrange the composition. It is a learned and honed skill.

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     normy foxyoreos (foxyoreos@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:23:56 JST normy foxyoreos

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     • Satya Benson

     @satchlj @Gargron The accessibility argument is based on tearing down beautiful things because they're not standardized enough. It's based on dividing people up into artists and non-artists, and then frames this like the critics are the ones gatekeeping.

     I'm angry at OpenAI for robbing the world of things you might otherwise create, and I don't care whether those things would have looked perfectly like another artist's art style.

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     normy foxyoreos (foxyoreos@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:23:56 JST normy foxyoreos

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     @satchlj @Gargron I don't like how this "let non-artists enjoy things" sentiment reinforces the toxic, anti-art viewpoint that there's a quality bar somepony has to clear to be an artist.

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     Satya Benson (satchlj@schelling.pt)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:23:56 JST Satya Benson

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     @foxyoreos @Gargron

     I fully agree there's no quality bar to making art. And you can turn that the other way to apply to AI - even if it's low quality, it's still a valid form of expression!

     If you're angry that AI image generation might stop people from becoming 'actual' artists, maybe get angry at camera technology for stopping photographers from becoming painters?

     This is one more step in the same direction.

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     normy foxyoreos (foxyoreos@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:23:57 JST normy foxyoreos

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     @satchlj @Gargron I've written about this in other places, but the accessibility argument here also really fundamentally misunderstands what art is.

     Who told you that you weren't an artist and that this AI slop is better than even the most basic scribbles you put down on a page?

     "Non-artist": what does that even mean? Do you express things? Do you have emotions? Want to communicate them? You're an artist.

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     Angelina Jolie (angelinajolie23@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:30:16 JST Angelina Jolie

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     Have you heard about the ongoing program that IQ TRADE are offering now.

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     Galad (galad@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 08:33:24 JST Galad

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     @Gargron It's barbaric vandalism.

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     Hcucu (hassanzaman@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 09:36:43 JST Hcucu

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     @Gargron ggvtct

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     Hcucu (hassanzaman@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 09:36:56 JST Hcucu

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     @Gargron vygygyv

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     Scorpion (amte@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 29-Mar-2025 09:52:28 JST Scorpion

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     @Gargron As Noam Chomsky put it: The current big-news! devs of ai is nothing but an expensive stupid game! It will lose attention faster than it gains them!