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   dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 04:56:12 JST dilbert 1
   I actually kind of like the idea of minimum wage. not because it gives people a liveable wage but because it legislatively sets a minimum type of work you can economically coerce a human into performing. if you can't do that profitably then it is undesirable labor that should be automated away
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:13:10 JST dilbert 1

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     @hakui give me a break, people are coerced into jobs that don't pay enough to even live, so the jobs teach them how to apply for public services.
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:13:11 JST 御園はくい

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     @sun it's not coercion if both parties agree on the terms on their own
     
     what if the guy thinks being paid peanuts is still worth his time
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:16:37 JST dilbert 1

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     @hakui no it doesn't because you don't have anything lifting up people that can't afford to eat.
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:16:38 JST 御園はくい

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     @sun and as mdn mentioned a minimum wage will only push prices higher and you end up where you started
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:22:19 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @hakui @sun because this is just theoretical, not practical ever? It's not necessarily coercion I'd say, but if all jobs pay people peanuts, they don't have any other choice.
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:27:11 JST 御園はくい

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     @sun sometimes the local money supply is just that low which translates to deflation
     
     if bumfuck, ohio has 100 people and 100k among them mandating the remaining business owners to pay their workers 10/hr is just going to make them go "fuck it" and quit
     
     >but the fed is printing all the time
     and none of it reaches bumfuck because there's nothing there that's investable
     
     rome collapsed partially because they ran out of silver for daily transactions btw
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 10:27:13 JST dilbert 1

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     @hakui sure but like, you have a city with 25k people and it works
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 16:35:23 JST lainy

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     @hakui this is like those velocidensity posts
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 16:35:24 JST 御園はくい

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     "labor theory of value" actually refers to the opportunity cost of delegating it to someone else
     
     if the efficiency increase from hiring someone isn't worth paying them (because of minimum wage or whatever) the owner is going to not hire them and do the tasks himself even if it means taking a hit to efficiency
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 24-Mar-2025 16:39:13 JST 御園はくい

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     @lain basically you should be hiring lossless workers
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