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    Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 00:52:50 JST Delta Chat Delta Chat

    #Signal took a huge bet that running on US big-tech toxic infrastructure is fine because its groundbreaking and industry-shaping cryptography is crafted to neutralize it and keep users safe.

    But is it really feasible to live on toxic infrastructure in the longer run?

    #deltachat rather takes a bet on the massive e-mail server network and interoperable protocols, and on #chatmail servers which enforce message encryption and metadata-minimization.

    Delta is for when centralization turns sour.

    In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 00:52:50 JST from chaos.social permalink
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      Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:33:39 JST Delta Chat Delta Chat
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      • Matt Cengia

      @mattcen We beg to disagree a little :) The e-mail system is a very wondrous beast and we are untapping interesting new possibilities with our #chatmail efforts. As to sealed sender/receivers that's entirely possible. However, we prefer to make further arguments in released code when the time comes and stars align ;)

      In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:33:39 JST permalink
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      Matt Cengia (mattcen@aus.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:33:40 JST Matt Cengia Matt Cengia
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      @delta It's impossible to protect user metadata the way Signal does when you're constrained to SMTP as your protocol, though.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:33:40 JST permalink
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      feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:42:39 JST feld feld
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      • taco, bird/cat :verified420:
      • Xoa Gray
      @xoagray @delta @chirpbirb

      1. anonymous email addresses (which you can change)
      2. very minimal log retention (RAM only, not long) for Chatmail servers
      3. all the content for the chats is embedded in an encrypted PGP message

      it turns email servers into dumb message/packet routers essentially

      I wrote a post about it here

      https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/
      In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:42:39 JST permalink

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        Everything You Think You Know About DeltaChat Is Wrong – Makefile.feld
        I am smitten with DeltaChat... DeltaChat has been making massive strides lately and I think you should consider using it as your full time secure messenger.
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      Xoa Gray (xoagray@phoenix.masto.host)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:42:47 JST Xoa Gray Xoa Gray
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      • taco, bird/cat :verified420:

      @delta @chirpbirb If Delta Chat uses e-mail servers, and e-mail is inherently insecure, doesn't this also make Delta Chat insecure by default? If not, can you link me to an explanation of how Delta Chat's security works that a layman could understand?

      In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:42:47 JST permalink
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      Xoa Gray (xoagray@phoenix.masto.host)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:43:53 JST Xoa Gray Xoa Gray
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      • taco, bird/cat :verified420:
      • feld

      @feld @delta @chirpbirb I'll check this out, thank you.

      In conversation Friday, 21-Mar-2025 01:43:53 JST permalink
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