Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
Reddit, where sanity goes to die. According to Reddit, it's perfectly fine to list a game like GTA V Enhanced as Playable on Steam Deck, even though online play is intentionally blocked, because single-player works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/1je36k4/comment/mif90p3/
Person 1: "Hey guys, check out GTA V Enhanced on Steam Deck. It's Playable!!"
Person 2 who just bought it: "Uh, but online doesn't work?"
Person 1: "But it's Playable offline!"
🙃
Dror Bedrack
@gamingonlinux playable, doesnt mean it works well...
Distante
@gamingonlinux Hmm, actually, the online mode is called GTA Online, not GTA V Online, so everything is correct 🤓☝️
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
When you look over Reddit comments on Steam Deck ratings, they swing wildly between these sorts of things depending on the game and the persons mood:
- "It clearly deserves to be playable, even though online doesn't work"
- "It shouldn't be verified, it dips once below 30FPS!"
Brodie Robertson
@gamingonlinux No one in the thread appears to have read the Valve docs, trying to reason with them is a waste of effort.
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@Distante oh shutup
Alien software, human hardware
@gamingonlinux i think you can sort all of humanity in those 2 categories.
Strapped Penguin
@gamingonlinux i agree they should say 1/2 type of playable
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@lyrenhex because the idea is to keep it simple, the more extra categories they add, the more confusing it is for people - this is meant for normies to pick up and play as much as for the rest of us that understand and have time to dive into the ins and outs like protondb
Lyrenhex
@gamingonlinux I still don't understand why Valve doesn't have a 'Partially Playable' rating for stuff like this.
the gulf between "doesn't work at all" (implied by 'Unsupported') and "all modes of the game work" is vast.
that and their docs don't actually specify 'fully functional' for Playable (it's implied by the definition of Verified and their examples of 'Playable' issues), tbf, which would lead to this kind of inconsistency from interpretation.
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@irfan i lost a few braincells from the replies to me
Mika
@gamingonlinux@mastodon.social I regret opening this, it's stupid how much u got dowvoted DESPITE giving a sound reason why that (playable) rating could be deemed inaccurate
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@RiQuY @lyrenhex which is already bundled into deck verified
there is no point in adding category after category, giving people a longer and longer list to read to know if the game is playable on a *specific* system or not
RiQuY (Ricardo-Stryki)
@gamingonlinux @lyrenhex it isn't that rare, for example there are 2 categories for controller support, "partial controller compatibility" and "total controller compatibility" and people don't get confused there.
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@lyrenhex @RiQuY no, the rating is fine as it is, it doesn't need another category
verified: everything works
playable: has some minor issues
unsupported: major stuff doesn't work
people want to keep making it more complicated, doesn't make them correct
Valve just need to be consistent on it, adding even more to it will make inconsistencies even worse
Lyrenhex
@gamingonlinux @RiQuY thinking about it, though, this would make it simpler for 'normies', I think?
right now, we have inconsistency between whether 'Playable' means the entire game is playable or just a single mode of it. whichever of those is 'correct' is irrelevant for as long as the specification is ambiguous enough to allow it to happen. instead, you have to refer to 3rd-party testing - a la ProtonDB - to work out if GTA V supports Online...
(aside: saying that Playable requires both modes to be functional is also not ideal rn: some people won't want to play Online, so it's giving them more work to identify if it's actually non-functional or if it's good enough for them to play.)
A 'Partially Playable' (or equiv. wording) category would solve the ambiguity ('Playable' must hence be completely functional), and make this simpler: GTA V is Partially Playable (which part should be noted in the support modal).
Because some people will not want to play GTA Online and would be fine with that. For others, no GTA Online is a dealbreaker and being advertised as 'Playable' would feel like a scam.
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