A little tip for home networking. If all you plan to do is throw one or two devices on wifi, browse some web and maybe watch a little Netflix, an off the shelf router is fine. But if you want a network that is going to work when you need it, and almost never need fiddling after you set it up unless you make changes, absolutely go with secondhand enterprise equipment. It's harder to set up, it won't do anything when you first plug it in, but it just... stays working.
Conversation
Notices
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:10:10 JST Miakoda
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:13:02 JST Miakoda
It is absolutely worth the extra work it took to learn how to get it to do what I wanted. And because it's "outdated", it was cheap! Outdated enterprise is still faster than new consumer shit off the shelf! (except wifi - that gets old fast, but 802.11AC is PLENTY for most uses)
Also, enterprise stuff lived it's first life with a team paid to take care of it. Listings are either in great shape, or "dead - parts only". There's very little in-between when it comes to switches and routers -
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:17:25 JST Miakoda
And yes, at the size routers and switches are, you can just sit a rack mountable piece of equipment on a shelf. It won't break being installed without it's rack.
Rule of thumb - if it's depth is shorter than your forearm, you don't even need to worry about it. -
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:27:41 JST Miakoda
Oh, and once you DO have it configured how you need - You can just download a back up copy of your config! If somehow it gets reset, or your kid pours juice on it and you have to get another one, if it's the same model, just upload your config to it, reboot, and done.
It's working, but you need to change something and not sure you're doing it right? Download a copy, make the change. If it now doesn't work, put that back up in and try again.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:29:02 JST Miakoda
Hell, mine even have TWO COPIES of the firmware! When I update it, it'll update one copy, and boot to that. If the update failed or the update was bad, it can reboot to that previous copy. If it's good, I can then update the second copy.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:32:08 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix The big thing for me was... My first enterprise grade switches were a gift. They required specific software, but were awesome otherwise. So, when looking for what to replace it with, I looked up how-to videos about different brands. Not to actually learn how to, but to see if they do it in the browser. I wanted to be sure what I had could always be configed with just a browser.
Personally, configuring everything in one place is not something I care a lot about.
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:32:09 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda The first time I installed an enterprise-grade switch at home, it was an old Dell 16 ports. It was nice but the interface was absolute crap, really hard to work with. Then I could have procured a 32 ports HP switch but it had a always-on fan, so no thanks!
Now I have everything set up with Ubiquiti hardware + UniFI. UXG Lite, USW 24, UAP AC-Lite. Being able to configure everything from a single console is a must. You can probably find secondhand UniFi stuff, I highly recommend. -
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:34:47 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix I use IPs to help sort how I get to things.
Router is always x.x.x.1, so the big switch is x.x.x.2.
Printers are low 200s, so .200, .201, .202...
APs are all high 200s, so .250, .251, etc...It makes it easier if I have to just take pot shots blind to find a device on the network.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:39:37 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix Being a gamer nerd who likes matching numbers...
PS3, PS4, and PS5 are .3, .4, .5, with .6 reserved. lol....and my primary laptop is .13 because WAAAAAY back when I first got in to anything that needed me to know local IPs, my primary machine ended up with a .3, and I kept that that way till I got a ps3, and moved my primary to .13 and left it there ever since. I get a new primary machine, It'll become the new .13
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:42:51 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix Ubiquity makes nice shit... but they also piss me off. I don't like Unifi, I like Max... and they seem to be letting the Max line just kinda die. I love the UI (my switch has a newer UI and the "legacy interface". I strongly perfer the legacy, EXCEPT for the port legend. I really like the way it displays the ports in the newer UI)
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:42:52 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda I can get that. The Dell switch was great, and had every features I required, but it was old with an ugly Web UI with abysmal UX, and really poor security. VLAns in particular were a PITA to set up
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:48:07 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix One of my favorite features on my set up... I have a firewall rule that just straight up blocks certain MAC addresses from ever reaching the internet. Printer wants to auto update firmware to block my generic ink? Fuck you, HP! HAHAHAHA!
Bonus - found an add-on for Home Assistant that lets it act as an NTP server. So, HA gets time from a server on the internet, and the devices blocked from the web get their time local net from the HA server. The extra step is negligible. -
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:48:09 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Sensible.
I have split my network in 3: LAN, WLAN, DMZ. I allocated a /23 to each of them, with the gateway on .0 in the middle. That last point is just to trigger people who believe a host can't have a .0 IP address.
Everything is configured through DHCP, with the pool being the low half of the network and the fixed IPs the higher one.
The switch an AP have dynamically assigned IPs, because UniFi allow me not to care. Printer is on WLAN's highest possible address. -
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:49:07 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix This is how I have an old IP camera FAR FAR too outdated to let the web touch it safely. It can't see the web, but my HA server gives it the time, and gets the video feed from it, and when I want to see the camera, I can access that feed from HA.
-
Embed this notice
:pdx_badge: ~EDOX~ :pdx_badge: (edox@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:56:54 JST :pdx_badge: ~EDOX~ :pdx_badge:
@hellomiakoda Thanks. This reminded me I need to save a copy of my router config for backup.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:58:53 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix I haven't yet gotten in to combining ports. Everything at my place is 1Gbps. Since all the devices I own all have Gigabit, I haven't been motivated to go higher, and even MoCA is getting 800 to 900 Mbps locally. (My room is the furthest point, so MoCA was the only practical way to get here. MoCA was great from the start, but got better when I disconnected the cable company line. That line was causing a 100v differential. I've taken several nasty shocks because of it)
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:58:55 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda After the EdgeMAX i Had a 3 ports gateway. What was nice was that I could use 2 1Gbps ports between the gateway and the switch for DMZ+LAN+WLAN traffic. It stopped working and I now have the UXG Lite, only 2 ports, so those 3 networks have to go through a single 1G port.
Their routers are now either small or huge, with not much in-between. The UXG has a powerful CPU that allows doing IDS/IPS though, that's nice.
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:58:56 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Ah yes, had an EdgeMAX before, it died though... As I already had a UAP, replacing it with a UniFi-capable device made sense.
BTW you can switch to the "legacy" interface, but I haven't tried it and I don't know which legacy interface it refers to, as they have switched things around multiple times.
I like the latest implement though, took a bit to get used to it but it's fairly intuitive.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:05:36 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix That voltage issue... I discovered it when I was reaching behind my network setup, had one hand on my server chassi, and touched the MoCA line. Fucking hurt! Took a bit to figure out what I touched that shocked me. Measured from my coax splitter to the only grounding I have, and got around 100v AC! If I touch those together, it would spark!
This hazard went away when, after switching ISP, I disconnected the coax that goes to the pole.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:07:35 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix It sends ethernet data over the coax cable TV uses. Like a LAN version of a cable modem. My older ones are single gig, newer ones can do, I think, 2.5Gbps. It's JUST SHY of what I get using ethernet, like a difference small enough I can't really notice. Since there's coax in the walls (or in my case, just strung around the outside via holes in the wall, cause... that's what's here), it's a great way to network.
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:07:37 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda MoCA? Never heard of it
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:09:13 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix FAR FAR superior to the powerline adapters my roommates were using before I got here. Holy crap that was awful when I first moved in. My room was too far from the shitty wifi router to get anything good out of it, and the powerline was giving me an unreliable like 2Mpbs and really really bad ping.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:17:28 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix Yeah, most "cable TV" is just proprietary IPTV now. The cable box is just a cable modem tuned to something other than "the internet".
Especially now that OTA TV is also kinda just an MPEG stream. Theoretically (ignoring law), you could send any file that way, OTA, if you use something that could understand files other than MPEG. -
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:17:29 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Oh yeah, those are crap...
In France, internet access by cable has disappeared, I'm not even sure people still use cable TV, as most receive TV via their ISP's router. Everywhere Cable had been deployed, it's been superseded by FTTH now.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:20:16 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix In fact, the last customer setup I had to fuck with, the TVs stopped working when the cable modem failed. During diagnostic, I figured out the cable boxes were literally using (possibly proprietary version of) MoCA to get to the TV provider's servers via the cable modem. They literally don't work without the cable modem.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:22:22 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix I don't remember why the cable modem was not working, but I do remember it was excusable stupidity (meaning something dumb and simple I can't expect an inexperienced user to realize).
Once the cable modem was back online, all the TVs worked about 2 minutes later. -
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:25:19 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix The heck do they use? They all go fiber? Or 5G?
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:29:32 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix When you're back... I've never heard of this game. What's it about?
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:29:34 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Anyway, I'm going to play Tiny Tina's Wonderlands a bit then get some sleep.
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 13:34:40 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix We're starting to see IPV6. I have it on the internet side, but I don't use it lan side.
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 13:34:41 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda BTW, I don't know how things are for you, but here, almost everyone's got IPv6.
-
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 13:34:42 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Fiber
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Mar-2025 07:54:26 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix
Oh, I'm not worried about it. I'll have long since been pushed out of gaming by wealth inequality. -
Embed this notice
ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫ (scriptfanix@maly.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Mar-2025 07:54:28 JST ScriptFanix ❤️ ⏚ ⸫
@hellomiakoda Haha
What will you do when they launch PS13? :trollface:
-
Embed this notice
Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Mar-2025 07:57:48 JST Miakoda
@ScriptFanix
I do use the legacy UI.
-
Embed this notice