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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 06:57:01 JST feld
   I have an honest question: what good is a secure, privacy preserving messenger if it's so easy for a country to block it? Being surveillance resistant isn't helpful when it's not censorship resistant
   
   e.g., blocked in Russia:
   
   - Signal
   - Matrix
   - Threema
   - Session (tor)
   - Briar (tor)
   - Cwtch (tor)
   - SimpleX (tor alternate to their SMP servers)
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 07:02:59 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @feld I know this shit firsthand. Our only savior is close-to-border amateur radio mesh network, existing infrastructure of internet cannot be trusted
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     lps (lps@mograph.social)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 08:08:20 JST lps

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     @feld at least one of those, Briar, also works with Bluetooth, which creates a mesh network for things like protests.

     You missed one other, https://delta.chat/en/ which works using with existing email technology which makes it much harder to block.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 08:39:08 JST lainy

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     @feld 99.9% of "i want security" people are autistic paranoid westerners who have never been in any kind of problematic situation, and all software is directed towards their fantasy usecases.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 08:46:19 JST feld

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     @lain
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 08:47:50 JST dilbert 1

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     • lainy
     @feld @lain Tor is actively trying to get around blocking, the other ones don't. But Tor won't help you if your country puts you in prison if they detect you using Tor
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     Powersource (powersource@sunbeam.city)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 09:01:02 JST Powersource

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     • lainy

     @lain there's sadly too much truth in this

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 09:06:16 JST feld

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     • Powersource
     @powersource so there are some censorship resistance options where you use a custom traffic obfuscation protocol to talk to an (unlisted) Tor bridge to get into the network.
     
     https://tb-manual.torproject.org/circumvention/
     
     The problem here is that it's not scalable and very few people are going to be able to figure it out.
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     Powersource (powersource@sunbeam.city)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 09:06:18 JST Powersource

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     @feld I was under the impression Tor had half decent censorship resistance but sounds like that's incorrect?

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 09:14:31 JST feld

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     @older yeah I don't think Telegram is a good candidate for these people who need secure comms (I think their Secret Chats feature is pretty trustworthy though because it is direct device to device; no clue if it can evade censorship though)
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     older (older@social.net.ua)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 09:14:33 JST older

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     @feld Notable exclusion from this list is #Telegram
     That answers another question: what good is a unsecure, not privacy preserving messenger, which is as easy as other messengers for a country to block.