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   Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:44 JST Bricky

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   @thetruthaddict Slavery is the ownership of one human to another. Asking for permission to enter land is called expressing property rights, which an AnCap such as yourself should understand.
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     Joel W (thetruthaddict@noauthority.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:45 JST Joel W

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     @thatbrickster needing permission to leave a piece of land (plantation) then needing permission to go to another is the very definition of slavery

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     Joel W (thetruthaddict@noauthority.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:46 JST Joel W

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     @thatbrickster why do people only look at this issue with people coming here? What if I want to take a job in Mexico. First, I need permission to leave the US. Then I need permission to enter Mexico. That's called slavery. Even if I want to vacation in some other nation, I need permission to leave the US. That is anything but being free. And if I move permanently, DC still steals taxes from me. How much slavery is fine with you?

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:46 JST Bricky

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     @thetruthaddict
     >why do people only look at this issue with people coming here?
     Because not everything is measured in GDP or house prices. Those who've only worried themselves over that have allowed, whether actively or passively, everything else around them to change while being told it's for their good. The people who will have to live with the consequences are younger people like myself and their children.
     
     >What if I want to take a job in Mexico. First, I need permission to leave the US. Then I need permission to enter Mexico. That's called slavery.
     That's called bureaucracy, not slavery. Having checks and balances on who is entering and leaving a sovereign state's territory makes sense when the concept of citizenship is enforced. You have to belong somewhere as per international law.
     
     >Even if I want to vacation in some other nation, I need permission to leave the US. That is anything but being free.
     Given how not everyone is the same and comes from the same background, it would be unhealthy to assume everyone is honest about their intentions for going someplace else.
     
     >And if I move permanently, DC still steals taxes from me.
     Which is morally wrong. No taxation without representation.
     
     >How much slavery is fine with you?
     Loaded question.
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     Joel W (thetruthaddict@noauthority.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:47 JST Joel W

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     @thatbrickster no borders means no state which means no handouts. Remove financial incentives and the problem stops immediately, even with the state still existing, but as it stands, people have financial incentive to come here without permission.

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     @thetruthaddict
     >no borders means no state which means no handouts
     No state equals anarchy for a week before breaking down into feudalism. South Africa proved that. You'll have bigger problems then.
     
     >Remove financial incentives and the problem stops immediately
     I agree, it's the main reason why they come. I don't believe removing borders will solve this for the same reason why most aren't interested in politics; you will push an expectation that people will need to give a damn about issues that may start affecting them personally (usually after something's already happened, whether trivial or malignant). I'm also concerned about the non-economic aspects, especially child and women's safety, if we start allowing people with no cultural proximity to freely enter.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:48 JST Bricky

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     @thetruthaddict My immediate question is, by eliminating borders (like I once supported), doesn't the concept of 'illegal migration' dissipate? It doesn't do anything to stop people attempting to cross into lands for economic benefit from the state, like us in the UK are experiencing. Just 5% of those legally coming across are 'high-skilled' whereas the overwhelming majority take jobs fit for teenagers or otherwise don't require a rocket science degree.
     
     I fear the abolition of said discrete categories of people will exacerbate the issues of wage suppression and not being able to find work, not resolve them. The onus would shift away from employers reliant on work visas and towards the state to protect employment opportunities for the native population, and to somehow reinforce the notion those coming in must sustain themselves. We've seen how well that's gone for the last few decades.
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     Joel W (thetruthaddict@noauthority.social)'s status on Monday, 10-Mar-2025 03:08:49 JST Joel W

     Mass Immigration Is Not Class Warfare — Borders Are
     https://c4ss.org/content/60135