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Alexandre Oliva
Donnodubus
@tirifto
Your comprehension of Software Freedom is superficial and reductive. Just because that list of "the four freedoms" don't address issues like permissive vs. free does not negate the fact that it is a crucial issue in Free Software philosophical discourse that led to the development of GPLv3, for example.
You are actually arguing that this list of 4 freedoms somehow constitutes the authoritative totality of Software Freedom, which forecloses the possibility of any dissenting or alternative views and arguments—something that would even shut out the views of Stallman himself lol.
Tirifto
@donnodubus @feditips I don’t think I’ve made my logic well understood. I don’t claim that anyone’s definition is inherently authoritative. It only becomes authoritative once it becomes the sole definition in common use. I claim that is the case for FSF’s definition, and therefore all software to meet it is rightly called ‘free software’, while any other software is not (at least in absence of further clarification). Other definitions of ‘free software’ are valid in theory, but they are not common in practice.
The four freedoms explicitly state that you must be free to ‘run the program as you wish, for any purpose’. It should stand to reason that if you are not allowed to run the program to exploit labour, you are not free to run it for any purpose. Therefore, such program does not meet the common definition of free software, and should not be called ‘free software’.
There is not a single word about permissiveness in the definition, and the only way the concept is relevant is if it limits any of the four freedoms. Licences like the GPL, MPL, Expat or zlib do not do this, while that of BookWyrm clearly does.
Donnodubus
@tirifto @feditips I never claimed to be, unlike you arguing that the FSF is.
But even by your own logic, the FSF has long established that more permissive ≠ more free. This license follows all the tenets of Free Software, it only adds that using this software to exploit labor is not permitted.
Tirifto
Donnodubus
@tirifto @feditips No one is free under Capitalism, and opposing it is a liberatory act. The FSF is not the final arbiter on the definition of "free".
Tirifto
Donnodubus
@tirifto @feditips It is free software if you're not a capitalist.
Tirifto
@feditips It is noteworthy that this is not free software.
Alexandre Oliva
Donnodubus
@lxo The 4 Freedoms are not stone tablets handed down from the Heavens. From a Leftist point of view, a license that excludes Capitalists is not non-free. If you consider a Leftist point of view inherently invalid or illegitimate, I'm not interested in your opinion about "freedom". There is no freedom under Capitalism.
Alexandre Oliva
Donnodubus
@lxo This license preserves all of your essential freedoms, it only excludes the exploitation of labor. Any definition of "freedom" that mandates allowing the exploitation of labor is inherently a liberal Capitalist one—nothing inherently to do with software.
The license is therefore less permissive, but more Free.
Alexandre Oliva
Donnodubus
@lxo Arguably, "single-issue focus" is an illusion. I understand this license doesn't follow the FSF approach, but to me Software Freedom is not a trademark of the FSF—it is a philosophy to be debated.
Alexandre Oliva
Donnodubus
@lxo I think we can end the discussion with this.
The other person should have said:
"This is not GPL compatible"
"This is not FSF approved"
"This can't be used for Capitalism"
Any of those would have been true. To say it's "not free" is false. (Or at least, debatable).
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