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   Jackie 🍉 :gay_communism: :trantifa: (burnoutqueen@todon.nl)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2025 06:40:28 JST Jackie 🍉 :gay_communism: :trantifa:

   Zionism does not cause all of the world's problems. The notion is absolutely ridiculous.

   What I will say is that Zionism is an obvious result of all the world's problems. Capitalist and ultranationalist greed drives people towards genocidal actions.

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     And some people might say "you're generalizing! You're just talking about Kahanism!"

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     Just explain this story from the First Intifadah, showing the brutality of a liberal Zionist hero.

     https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-06-22-mn-431-story.html

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     Also, the prevalence of racism among US politicians facilitates their embrace of Zionism, as the Zionist caricature of the Palestinians as savages and terrorists is deeply compatible with the kind of anti-Arab racism seen in the US.

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     What makes Zionism wrong is the same thing as what makes it wrong for the United States to kill the indigenous people of North America and become the economic dictators of the global south.

     Mr. Bill repeated this.
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     Many people invert the causes and effects of Zionism.

     As an example, people spread the borderline conspiratorial canard of "the United States of Israel", citing the bipartisan consensus surrounding Zionist ideology in the United States. I understand why people think this. However, this consensus is not because of Israel's enormous power over the US. We could nuke them to oblivion in a heartbeat.

     It is because Israeli colonialism is completely compatible with the policies of the US government and the dictates of capital. It doesn't matter that Israel has killed American citizens, attacked American military ships, and literally violates US law on a daily basis.

     US support is a necessary condition of the continuation of the Zionist project. Israel isn't brainwashing the US or whatever. This is just the true colors of US foreign policy.

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     Jackie 🍉 :gay_communism: :trantifa: (burnoutqueen@todon.nl)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Mar-2025 10:18:05 JST Jackie 🍉 :gay_communism: :trantifa:

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     It took me a while to realize that Zionism was bad, but seeing the Zionists collectively rally around an actual genocide (that's still ongoing!) and seeing all of the worst people on earth (Donald Trump and his ghoulish minions especially) adopt Israel as their cause celebre really did it for me.

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     Zionism in practice is a horrific ideology, and the current implementation of Zionism in the West Bank and Gaza is comparable to European fascism IMHO. Anyone paying attention should see that it's fascistic to kill off an entire people because of racism and a desire for living space.

     Anyone who is truly aware of the horrors the Palestinians are subjected to will definitely notice the brutality of the IDF and their routine violations of human dignity.

     "The Most Moral Army" isn't going to put a kid in a military prison after demolishing his family's home with a bulldozer.

     Mr. Bill repeated this.
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     If you support Zionism, you personally might not be a bad person. This goes double for Jewish folks, as Jewish institutions promote a very one sided view of Palestine, and the Holocaust leaves a justified and genuine void of fear and uncertainty that Zionism promises to fill. I'm also not going to be as harsh when it comes to left wing Israelis, because obviously the Israeli state will promote Zionism. It's their literal state ideology. People tend to absorb the ideology of their government.

     If you still support Zionism when you understand its history of abuses against Palestinian people, then you almost definitely are a bad person. If you support Zionism to support your Messianic apocalypse fantasy, you are a bad person and also probably an antisemite.

     (Sidenote: The rhetoric I sometimes hear about "normalization", while it definitely applies to some people, it is often misplaced. Rabin and the liberal Zionists who cultishly worship the peace process are definitely normalizers who can't be trusted. But not every left wing Israeli is like that, and not every instance of cooperation between Palestinians and Israelis is normalization.)