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   Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:11 JST Baldur Bjarnason

   Like others I’m bit worried about the shifting landscape for browser vendors, in terms of the incentives for funding changing. Maintaining and improving a browser engine is a task akin to that of a whole-ass OS. It requires extraordinary funds and I don’t think it’s controversial to say that both WebKit/Safari and Firefox are underfunded

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:08 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     CSS and HTML, even if you assume that they are equally complex as JS, have very different failure modes that make them more resilient. Too much JS is also a big problem in many other ways, such as costs and punishing constrained platforms such as mobile phones

     The problem is that the industry does not agree and keeps ratcheting up the average JS payload and keeps hiring based only on skills in React and completely disregarding CSS and HTML

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:08 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     It’s clear what a sensible long-term web dev strategy looks like for most of the industry, but much of that same industry is hell-bent on doing the opposite: build bloated software based mostly on a fragile JS-oriented ecosystem, while simultaneously using LLMs as an excuse to both de-skill the industry and shrink the workforce down to a size that can, effectively, be drowned in a bathtub if they so much as dare to attempt collective bargaining

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:09 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     Obviously none of this needs to happen. Tech cos could demonstrate vision and increase funding as a long term hedge against the also increasing dysfunction of appstores, but that feels unlikely

     So, the question on my mind: what’s the best strategy for us small-fry under these circumstances?

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:09 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     And the conclusion I keep coming to is that the sensible thing to do is to shift hard away from client-side JS except where it’s absolutely essential (e.g. for accessibility reasons). This is despite being a guy whose web dev career for the past decade or so has mostly centred on JS

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:10 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     Now we have a situation where it’s much more cost-effective for tech cos to leverage a cozy relationship with the US administration to shut regulators down, both in the US and globally than it is to either change their platforms to be more consumer-friendly or keep funding open platforms

     This means that all of the incentives are lined up to make drastic changes in the browser landscape much more likely over the next 4-5 years

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:10 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     The worst case scenario would be a repeat of the NN4/IE disinvestment duopoly era, a nightmare period after IE had effectively won but before the rise of Firefox where the only browser that wasn’t genuinely outright awful was IE Mac.

     Except this time browsers are much more complex software

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     Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 20:28:11 JST Baldur Bjarnason

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     Most of the funding for all three major browsers essentially comes from search businesses and much of the rest comes from sources with similar dynamics

     Those dynamics are changing. Regulators have come to seeing much of the browser landscape as anti-competitive. Companies are largely in the process of demolishing web media as an industry in an effort to replace them with chatbots, LLM answers, and closed social media silos.

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