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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 00:22:33 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
   stuff that we should be doing instead of adding retaliatory tariffs to the US :
   
   15) According to the CBC and my friend Jerry who pointed this out, this past year saw a 1B$ cut to the canadian forces budget. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/department-national-defence-budget-billion-1.6981974 all the while increasing requirements of what it was supposed to be doing with the money it had. There's other things than funding the canadian forces canada should be doing, and this is typical for liberal governments but now is not the time to be nickle and diming our armed forces given stuff like #14 - we need to properly fund our armed forces enough to handle some of the extra work they are going to be expected to do at the *very least*.
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 00:22:32 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @jeffcliff Let's just assume the US is going to go the way of the Western Roman Empire. :blobfoxupsidedown:
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     16) more trade with germany, specifically https://nitter.net/peterjukes/status/1893930687046033823
     
     Scott Moe and Justin Trudeau should both be reaching out to counterparts in germany to make a deal - the state of germany is ready to hear pitches from both canada and saskatchewan on how we can better work together, especially for any industry that might be specifically impacted by US tariffs. Who was it that I was talking to recently that was complaining that europe doesn't have enough steel production?? Let's bring some canadian steel into germany.
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     huh guess already have this one https://shitposter.world/notice/ArPsjcryELihe1GA6K
     guess
     22 (take ii)) only offer electricity to fuel US military watergoing vessels, no fossil fuels.
     https://www.threads.net/@marslinknews/post/DGrD5r-IBIZ
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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     21) Setup a national #fediverse server. Even a prototype one:
     
     ways this could happen
     * have the CBC setup a #fedi news server, similar to BBC has done with https://social.bbc
     * have the feds setup a server for departments to do their press releases on, instead of using twitter like they are right now(ie what the EU is doing ie https://ec.social-network.europa.eu)
     * give say oh 2m$ funds to each province to do whatever they want with it, as long as they setup a fediverse server. this might allow for
     - #alberta to setup instances for their oil industry to do propaganda with
     - #saskatchewan to give it to Sasktel to replace their aging email & VOD services with and to cut into facebook usage in the province
     - #manitoba could use it to do public health & reconciliation outreach stuff
     - #fordnation could oh idono give it to @graf for 10 years of 1,000 btrfly instances for PC donors^W^W^W valued businesses in #ontario or bonus points for if they pay in bottomless-pit/[2m$ worth of] LCBO cards for all #poast users or something
     - nova scotia could setup some kind of drinking buddy matchup/party organizing service or something
     - #nunavut could setup an inuktitut language misskey instance
     - #quebec could setup a french language loops instance
     - #bc could setup a simplified chinese language mastodon instance similar to https://mao.mastodonhub.com/ to promote chinese^WBC content
     etc etc etc
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     22) proof of vaccination requirement for american toruists. not just for covid, either. https://shitposter.world/notice/Ar5mPAPjV2JFXYpr28 https://www.threads.net/@xsagethesinnerx/post/DGCE9wmzDDp
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     20) Either drop out of FVEY or as a compromise kick the US and possibly UK out of #FVEY
     
     this isn't to say we shouldn't have intelligence sharing agreements with Australia/NZ or even CSIS mass surveillance (though we shouldn't) but this alone would go a long way
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     18) what jagmeet singh said: ban trump from the G7 meeting and use it as a rallying point to organize the world to do something about him
     https://www.ndp.ca/news/wide-ranging-speech-foreign-affairs-singh-says-trump-must-be-disinvited-canada-hosted-g7
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     19) xposting from facebook:
     
     In the criminal code of canada, perhaps somewhat obscurely, there's a section about "personne jouissant d’une protection internationale". This section provides for criminal charges in the case of "attacks on [particular people ie personnes jouissant d’une protection internationale] freedom *or dignity*," ie not only physical attacks but reputational ones -- at least a certain class of careless insults. ie the kind that is freely thrown around on the internet usually especially in the more politically polarized parts. Donald Trump, specifically, under canadian law, is a "personne jouissant d’une protection internationale" and as such it is not legal in this country to insult him, or his family, or to make image macro memes displaying him with tiny hands, sucking elon musk's toes, or other derogatory, insulting-to-Krasnov's-"dignity" material.
     
     This is a statutory right, agreed upon in UN treaties (including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination, at the very least ) but according to Blencoe v British Columbia (Human Rights Commission), [2000] 2 S.C.R. 307 ) human dignity is *not* a constitutional right in Canada. --- ie so we don't need to use the notwithstanding clause to get rid of it for someone.
     
     We treat "personnes jouissant d’une protection internationale" as a special case out of a sort of diplomatic truce between nations, probably to keep citizens of other nations from making *too* much fun of His Majesty Pisimwa Kamiwohkitahpamikohk. It's a compromise that we've had since forever -- that we have a law on the books that *could* in principle be used against those who insult foreign leaders, but it's not enforced most of the time because for most of canada's history before about the mid 1980s regular canadians didn't have access to large publishing platforms capable of reaching the world/the foreign leaders in question. So it wasn't really important to care what regular canadians thought outside of those in major newspapers, media and they can be effectively dealt with with through threats of censorship via other means (ie SLAPP suits, CSIS/RCMP blackmail, whatever). But we don't live in the early 1980s we live in the 21st century where everyone has in their pocket a device capable of broadcasting messages to the world and this law is still on the books. Its existence is threatening to crash down on canadian citizens who might be tempted to let their emotions boil over at say the prospect of Krasnov unilaterally redrawing the canadian border against our nation's consent.
     
     Make no mistake: singing "FDT"[1] or saying something similarly negative about him is almost certainly illegal in canada. This poses a bit of a puzzle because 'politeness' *is* a in canadian culture generally and the law should reflect that on some level. But on the other hand, we are faced with a situation where we're about to do grave damage to our economy by applying retaliatory tariffs to our largest trading partner - something that should within all reason be viewed as categorically worse than just letting Canadians tell Felon45 to suck on a moose's tits or whatever.
     
     Perhaps we should consider dropping the plan to apply tariffs to the US and instead either
     
     1) carve out an exception specifically for insulting COVIDIOT-45 in our criminal code, so that he can be insulted freely.
     
     2) just drop this language in the criminal code altogether and admit that the global internet makes such law antiquated and more than a little ridiculous
     
     3) just drop the "dignity" part -- physical attacks on "personnes jouissant d’une protection internationale" are probably worth punishing extra and that should be enough.
     
     4) We could have a specific carve-out for the "dignity" of a particular reoccurring guest on Jeffrey Epstein's lolita express.
     
     5) We could replace it with something a little more like a speeding ticket which might actually be enforcable / justiciable.
     
     Either way: changing the law relating to "personne jouissant d’une protection internationale" should be something we consider rather than impoverishing hundreds of thousands of canadians with unnecessary tariffs on our biggest trading partner.
     
     [1] https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=BlIREcAu0PI
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     just going to crosspost from my facebook post today:
     
     As I did last week, it's worth pointing out that there's another systematic way that people, including experts, including the experts who have the power to and responsibility to act in response to Trump/Krasnov's tariffs will tend to systematically come up with the wrong kind of response: the Politician's Fallacy
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism
     
     The Politician's fallacy is a logical fallacy that looks like this:
     
     P1. We must do something
     P2. X is something
     C1. therefor we must do X
     
     "We must do something" is kind of a freebie claim in politics -- especially when emotions run high and people get excited ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjTEBvZbIs8&pp=ygUSdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBlbW90aW9u ) , or we are threatened from without ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOkjDEgWy4&t=5s&pp=ygUSdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBiYWN1bHVt ) we are tempted to want to respond (and since "no response" is technically a response, it's always something we can do)
     
     "X is something" ( or even "X is something we can do" ) is similarly a trivial point -- whether it be "add tariffs to our biggest trading partner" or "shoot ourselves in the foot" or something else, it is something we *could* do.
     
     The failure here is in the conclusion -- "we must do X" can be true *or* it can be false. And since it can be false the above argument is not a valid syllogism (reminder: for an argument to be valid if the premises are true the conclusion *must* also be true). In the case of tariffs I would say it is an unsound syllogism since C1 *is* false (reminder: for an argument to be sound, it must be valid *and* its premises must be both true)
     
     One of the reasons that this is happening is because of the "is-ought" nature of both premises and conclusions ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-44Xnj93Lag&pp=ygUNdXJlZ2luYTEyMCBpcw%3D%3D ) in particular there's a switch between "is" and the "ought" that is not accounted for explicitly. I actually disagree with some philosophers (ie Hume) who claim that there is no way to bridge the is-ought gap but merely ignoring the problem certainly doesn't do it. And there is a problem here -- "we must do X" is an "ought" everything else in this argument is an "is" and the explanations offered as far as why the "ought" ought to be done can be investigated but so far have mostly been this syllogism.
     
     It's called the "politicians syllogism" or fallacy because it is one that is a favourite of politicians of all stripes -- looking like you're busy solving a problem for people is something that helps politicians look good. Regardless of whether their solution is actually helping or hurting both specifically the cause they are trying to do something about or the nation in general *is* something they *can* do.
     
     We should always be watching for the politicians fallacy actually being used in practice. When you hear someone saying "we have to do something!" you can know they are in danger of stepping into committing it.
     
     Of course when questioned, the next question someone who is committing this fallacy will inevitably respond with will be something like "well what should we do instead?" which is one step towards Good Thinking ( https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/6279011320 ) . And leads directly into the problem discussed last week complete with its solutions.
     
     https://shitposter.world/notice/ArHdF6Sj6O9ds3lC6a
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     23 https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-5353