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   PT KOREA (ptkorea@channels.im)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:44:35 JST PT KOREA

   https://www.ptkorea.com/378439/ 250225 Lisa wears Louis Vuitton for W Korea’s March 2025 issue #BLACKPINK #BLΛƆKPIИK #블랙핑크

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:44:30 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren I find it weird actually. "NJZ" is a different trademark already, they can't sue them for it unless they also had a trademark for "NJZ" and can prove they actually used it regularly, which they never did.

     You can't just sue anyone because the name is an acronym of your trademark name, unless you're actively using it.

     For example, Facebook can claim ownership of "FB" since they are using it themselves, and it is commonly used to refer to Facebook. So, even if they did not trademark "FB" they can fight for it if someone used "FB" under the same trademark category.

     But, "NJZ"? Their name was originally "NewJeans" and they never once marketed themselves as "NJZ". So, what's the basis for their claim that they cannot use "NJZ"?

     Unless they're just tying them to the fact that their contracts hasn't ended, in which case, it has nothing to do if they want to call themselves "NJZ". They can sue them for breach of contract, but not for using "NJZ".

     So, what's happening here? Do they have a weird trademark law in South Korea or something? What am I missing?

     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:44:33 JST wlf_warren

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     many do not realize, that all music and promotion in goods even the name of the group belongs to the LABEL

     as with 🖤🩷

     YGE has 'ownership of all under contract,

     even the name 'BLΛƆKPIИK'

     *.. this is part of the controversy concerning ADOR ~ HYBE and NewJeans under the new name NJZ, where they have raised a legal issue...

     concerning the legiality of the group name.

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:44:34 JST wlf_warren

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     @ptkorea WOW!

     elegant 😍

     She is now the Ambassador and MUSE for
     'Louis Vuitton'

     after her contract w/ 'CELINE' terminated when 🖤🩷 members terminated their 'individual'

     ( *still have as 'group) contracts with YGE.

     Part of their-(individual) contracts for members was for Fashion Houses.

     (* which YGE got a cut of the revenue earned)

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:47:29 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren I'm sure it's more than simply re-record. Music copyright doesn't work that way. There are a lot of Copyrighted materials in a song. The melody, the composition, the lyrics, the arrangement, to mention a few, all have separate Copyrights.

     If you only acquired the Rights for the lyrics, you practically have to create the music from scratch.

     Unless US Copyright.law has turned weird.

     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 12:47:30 JST wlf_warren

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     Many will remember Taylor Swift had the same problem w/ some of her prior music and had to re-record it to gain ownership

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:06:35 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren Love that read.

     There were similar cases here in the Philippines, but not that grand/many as Taylor Swift's. As long as they original composer and/or lyricist holds the most important Copyright, they can re-record it to their liking, even block the first version.

     And, yes, if this becomes common, record labels are going to demand decades of "no re-recording" clauses. They hate it. Copyright was invented for the capitalists, not for artists/authors/developers. 😉

     Look at Shakespeare. Copyright at the time was still in its early form, and thus weak and had many loopholes. Many of his famous works were derivatives, and he did better than the originals. 🤣 But today, derivatives are generally hated, that's Copyright Infringement. Some authors can't even write a sequel for their own work if the publisher they gave some Rights to it says "no". But authors don't say anything because they need their Publisher's machinery and network.

     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:06:36 JST wlf_warren

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     @youronlyone @ptkorea

     wow

     it must pay to Prompt Engineer'

     even with search engines- which many are AI-driven too lol

     this seems like a perfect article for our conversation

     my search pulled up this...

     Harvard law

     and yes you are correct, she re-wrote many in a 'newer version'

     to get past copyright and make a lot of money on the new stuff

     ⬇️

     https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:15:28 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren Not defending her or anything. Merchs and fan meets, and similar, are actually older than GenXennials today. There were already fan meets and merchs in the 70s, probably as early as the 60s. Even fandoms itself, they were called "fan clubs" in the early days of popular music.

     Even if we only consider Asian popular music, the Japanese idol industry is more likely the first since the first Japanese idol was in the 50s (or was it 60s? I can't recall correctly). Last I heard, she is active again even at her age. 😉 For her, it was practically a fan meet everyday. People lined up to see and interact with her.

     
     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:15:29 JST wlf_warren

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     @youronlyone @ptkorea

     ... she also seems to have mimicked many of K-Pop's tricks to become so wealthy and sell tickets, merch and interact w/ 'swifties'

     lol

     🤣🤣😁👍

     smart lady

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:29:34 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren Yeah, it is weird. I think the case is about them taking in a new name and performing/entering into contracts under that new name when their original contract is still valid. Unfortunately, the media misunderstood it as a trademark issue.

     As long as no one has trademarked "NJZ" in South Korea, under the category "Entertainment" (or whatever it's exactly called), they're fine to use it. The real issue is their existing contract, as far as their company is concerned, it still is valid. The burden is on "NJZ" to prove to the court that it is null and void.

     If they can't prove it, they're in to a serious legal trouble. They'll be fined for breached of contract. They can also get sued. All their existing deals will be cancelled, and those are breach of contracts too, which means they'll be fined, and if they fail to pay, they'll get sued.

     (In Korea, the artists/models are expected to be "good" in reputation, if in any way the brand they're endorsing is damaged or they can no longer use the investments in endorsement materials, the artist/model is fined. AFAIK, we don't have that kind of a clause in the Philippines, even if the endorser gets into trouble, we still see their promotional materials everywhere. 😝)

     Actually, it's surprising that someone is still signing them up for endorsements and other projects. Probably Western-controlled companies, who believes in "negative publicity is still good publicity".

     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 08:29:35 JST wlf_warren

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     @youronlyone @ptkorea

     not a lawyer, just a layman

     🤔💭

     maybe, they as the same group

     but

     under a new name

     violates some contractual agreement

     may also be some sort of trouble-causing... move, by the ones who filed suit. I think it was ADOR (sub-label of HYBE)

     *I do not know*

     but read it termed as such in 🇰🇷 news article ~my posted as 'vaguely put
     More details are public if trial.

     fandoms also noticed in recent CK (Calvin Klein) shoot~listed by individual name but, not NJZ as group

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 09:11:36 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren I'm more active in Bluesky, managing multiple custom Feeds (algorithms). It's more attractive for Filipinos apparently, than the Fediverse so I'm helping making it easier to use.

     😁

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 09:11:37 JST wlf_warren

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     @youronlyone @ptkorea

     one for the creators~ writers, artists, and musicians
     👍💯💯💯💯

     ... Good thoughts and comments, 🤔

     if it is their own, can re-record
     ( other versions) txs and ...

     somethings to 'chew on'

     funny, how it comes around like you say and the capitalist culture getting the finger 👆

     lol

     🤣🤣🤣

     BTW too

     good to cu, haven't in a while since the beginning of Pebble, after we moved here to the Fediverse~just briefly, so was wondering where you were at, tc my ole friend 😁

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     Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 09:20:58 JST Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

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     @wlf_warren Yep. Someone is giving poor advice to those young ladies. I just hope whoever it is will stand by them to the end, and not leave them hanging when things start to look bad.

     Other than the other specific laws, contracts are practically the same everywhere. They should've fought in court and showed proof that their agency breached their contracts, instead of rushing things and trying to shape public opinion.

     Sure, they probably knew it won't be easy to fight a company, a huge one at that, so they chose to use the public and shape the people to side with them. But, it was a very risky move, and one where it's showing most prefer to stay neutral or chose to "side" with the contract and the law.

     And for many, if not all fans, all they want is music and performances. It doesn't matter what they want to call themselves, their legal battles are not in the mind of the fans. Besides, what can fans do with it? Legal is legal. Fans can't influence that, especially not International fans. 😅

     They really miscalculated.

     @ptkorea

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     wlf_warren (wlf_warren@pebble.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Feb-2025 09:20:59 JST wlf_warren

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     • Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣

     @youronlyone @ptkorea

     I agree, and- x2's on them misinterpreting the allegations.

     One of the links from the article states just that.

     ADOR denied NewJean's termination of the original contract.

     As long as litigation is pending, they must abide by the original EXCLUSIVE contract to NewJeans, and why .. 'NJZ' may be considered ~ 'illegal'.

     We shall see if goes to trial and what outcome is decided ~ 🇰🇷 -court.

     My expanded thoughts to what you are saying and, txs your opinion 😁👍