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    Bodo Tasche (bitboxer@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 21:31:30 JST Bodo Tasche Bodo Tasche

    You know why we Germans are so pedantic about data protection? Someone around 90 years ago went through all records available, selected people with certain criteria, with the help of IBM, and then killed them all.

    We don't want to be on any list.

    And now the US Gov and Musk are trying to get access to all data they have about every person and put them into a big fat DB and run AI over it.

    I am afraid what they will do with that.

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    • Christine Lemmer-Webber, Janneke and AnthonyJK-Admin and 2 others repeated this.
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      Bodo Tasche (bitboxer@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 22:59:26 JST Bodo Tasche Bodo Tasche
      in reply to

      Since this gets tons of boosts:

      Trans rights are human rights. Asylum is a human right.

      Go vote whenever you can. Vote for parties who support migrants, protect climate and help people of all genders.

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      Jakra (jakra@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 23:43:31 JST Jakra Jakra
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      @bitboxer Today's lecture... asylum seeker != illegal immigrant. Also Illegal Immigrant == fascist re-definition of human rights. Never again == doing it right now.

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      Tobias Fiebig (tfiebig@wybt.net)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 00:16:46 JST Tobias Fiebig Tobias Fiebig
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      @bitboxer Actually; Even more so in the Netherlands. The Dutch had migrated to a fully IBM/Hollerith Machine backed public administration ('digital' first, bedenken second oder so) before the invasion. After the invasion, the German's were just like "uuuuh, we know these machines! Got a query to run, let's call our IBM consultant!";

      This is why (by %/population) so many more were murdered in NL; And why the Dutch resistance burned archives:

      https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/128/the-resistance-attacks-the-population-register-of-amsterdam/
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_Amsterdam_civil_registry_office_bombing

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        1943 Amsterdam civil registry office bombing
        The 1943 bombing of the Amsterdam civil registry office was an attempt by members of the Dutch resistance to destroy the Amsterdam civil registry (bevolkingsregister), in order to prevent the German occupiers from identifying Jews and others marked for persecution, arrest or forced labour. The March 1943 assault was only partially successful, and led to the execution of 12 participants. Nevertheless, the action likely saved many Jews from arrest and deportation to Nazi extermination camps. Background Following the 1940 German invasion and occupation of the Netherlands, everyone aged 15 and older was required to carry an identification card, the persoonsbewijs, with them at all times. Jews had to carry a persoonsbewijs marked with a large J. Resistance members soon started to forge identification cards on a large scale – the largest such operation, led by Gerrit van der Veen, produced some 80,000 forged documents. However, forged documents could be easily detected because they could be compared against the records in the civil registries. Some civil servants were willing to falsify records in the civil...
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      Aurora 🐌 (coriopsicologia@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 00:48:16 JST Aurora 🐌 Aurora 🐌
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      @bitboxer Can you give some souce

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      Frank Nord (fenkt@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 05:51:28 JST Frank Nord Frank Nord
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      • MrLaCave :verified_coffee:  

      @MrLaCave @bitboxer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

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        IBM and the Holocaust
        IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation is a book by investigative journalist and historian Edwin Black which documents the strategic technology services rendered by US-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries for the government of Adolf Hitler from the beginning of the Third Reich through to the last day of the regime, at the end of World War II when the US and Germany were at war with each other. Published in 2001, with numerous subsequent expanded editions, Black outlined the key role of IBM's technology in The Holocaust genocide committed by the German Nazi regime, by facilitating the regime's generation and tabulation of punch cards for national census data, military logistics, ghetto statistics, train traffic management, and concentration camp capacity. Summary In the early 1880s, Herman Hollerith (1860–1929), a young employee at the U.S. Census Bureau, conceived of the idea of creating readable cards with standardized perforations, each representing specific individual...
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      MrLaCave :verified_coffee:   (mrlacave@troet.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 05:51:29 JST MrLaCave :verified_coffee:   MrLaCave :verified_coffee:  
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      @bitboxer With the help of IBM? Do you have a source for that?

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      Florian 'floe' Echtler (floe@hci.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 05:51:37 JST Florian 'floe' Echtler Florian 'floe' Echtler
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      • MrLaCave :verified_coffee:  

      @MrLaCave @bitboxer For an overview, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#1910s%E2%80%931950s

      Also some more details: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/mar/29/humanities.highereducation

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        IBM
        International Business Machines Corporation (using the trademark IBM), nicknamed Big Blue, is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Armonk, New York and present in over 175 countries. It is a publicly traded company and one of the 30 companies in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. IBM is the largest industrial research organization in the world, with 19 research facilities across a dozen countries, having held the record for most annual U.S. patents generated by a business for 29 consecutive years from 1993 to 2021. IBM was founded in 1911 as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (CTR), a holding company of manufacturers of record-keeping and measuring systems. It was renamed "International Business Machines" in 1924 and soon became the leading manufacturer of punch-card tabulating systems. During the 1960s and 1970s, the IBM mainframe, exemplified by the System/360, was the world's dominant computing platform, with the company producing 80 percent of computers in the U.S. and 70 percent of computers worldwide. IBM debuted in the microcomputer market in 1981...
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        IBM 'dealt directly with Holocaust organisers'
        from https://www.theguardian.com/profile/oliverburkeman
        Newly discovered documents from Hitler's Germany prove that IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps.
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      Tobias Fiebig (tfiebig@wybt.net)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 23:03:22 JST Tobias Fiebig Tobias Fiebig
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      • The gallant knight

      @burningTyger @bitboxer Well, the underlying truth is that the holocaust was fundamentally enabled by what we call "IT people" today.

      And for some reason, nobody in IT got that memo and happily collects (meta) data without thinking about the possible dire consequences.

      You can't lose data you don't have.

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      The gallant knight (burningtyger@nrw.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 23:03:24 JST The gallant knight The gallant knight
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      • Tobias Fiebig

      @tfiebig @bitboxer Fascinating, I see the Auschwitz posts here on Mastodon and there are some many deported from The Netherlands. But also France and Norway stand out.

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      Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK (vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 23:03:34 JST Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK
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      • Tobias Fiebig
      • The gallant knight

      @tfiebig @burningTyger @bitboxer

      35 years ago, when I finished high school I drifted apart from my friends/classmates who were into tech and science as they had 0 problems with bootlicking Thatcho and working for big USA tech companies, including the military-industrial/surveillance complex (which was a major employer in UK even decades ago, our tech industry is built on it). I see some of them on LinkedIn, they are still working for those corporates and are unrepentant..

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      huntingdon (huntingdon@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 23:04:45 JST huntingdon huntingdon
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      • Tobias Fiebig

      @tfiebig @bitboxer

      IBM's Tom Watson took a recurring fee on every one of those machines, and all the ones used by Nazi Germany throughout the Reich.

      Born in 1874, he was IBM's chairman 1914-1956. His machines and their punch cards (millions, only available through IBM) were site and use specific. He knew where each was and the commission due on it. They kept the Nazi railroads running, and managed the "throughput" at Nazi labor and death camps.

      In conversation about 4 months ago permalink

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