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   Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:49:32 JST Warner Crocker

   “That coup is, in fact, happening. And if we do not recognize it for what it is, it could succeed.”

   Of course it’s a coup
   #politics
   https://snyder.substack.com/p/of-course-its-a-coup

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     Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:49:30 JST Warner Crocker

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     • zenkat

     @zenkat The concept of what's legal and what's illegal has lost relevance in this entire mess as fast moving as it is. It's not rolling over to admit the challenge you're actually facing, certainly as compared to fighting a battle already lost.

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     Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:49:31 JST Warner Crocker

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     • zenkat

     @zenkat I wish I had an answer. I don't. TBH I think it has already succeeded, which makes the situation even more dangerous.

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     zenkat (zenkat@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:49:31 JST zenkat

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     @WarnerCrocker But it's illegal, and people will suffer direct harm. So someone must have standing.

     Yes, Musk and Trump will likely tell the courts to pound sand. But that is no reason to roll over and give up.

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     zenkat (zenkat@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:49:32 JST zenkat

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     @WarnerCrocker So how do we stop it? It's blatantly illegal, can he be sued? By citizens? Congress? The States?

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     zenkat (zenkat@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:50:57 JST zenkat

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     @WarnerCrocker Fair enough. What's the next front?

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     Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 00:50:57 JST Warner Crocker

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     • zenkat

     @zenkat Again, I wish I had the answer. I'm searching just as you are.

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     Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 01:29:46 JST Warner Crocker

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     • zenkat

     @zenkat All important things. All need to be done. Sorry if I sound too cynical, but as important as they are, there are marauders knocking down doors that need to be attended to. As important as those moves might be in the long run, those institutions have to survive the onslaught in order to carry them out.

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     zenkat (zenkat@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 01:29:47 JST zenkat

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     @WarnerCrocker Also remember that Musk is a private citizen. The civil courts are an interesting angle. Why not a class action lawsuit, with Musk and his instigators as defendants?

     Yes, it's slow. Yes, it will get gummed up. But we need to fight.

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     zenkat (zenkat@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 01:29:48 JST zenkat

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     @WarnerCrocker A single battle dues not make a war. Battles can be fateful, decisive even, but the war is not over until we stop fighting.

     In a way over territory, the side that loses a battle retreats to safe territory to regroup and fight over contested territory.

     What is our safe territory? Some ideas: Blue states. Courts. Cities. Physical spaces. Academia.

     Who do we regroup with? Everyone who has been attacked. All attacked "minorities", of course, but also scientists, federal workers, NGOs, unions, academics ... the list goes on. The attack surface is huge right now, which puts them at risk of being overextended.

     Not a plan, to be sure -- but the direction we must go.