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    Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 06:02:45 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
    • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

    I’ve long maintained that music composition and computer programming have a •huge• overlap in the brain, at least in my own experience — and that overlap has something to do with spatial relationships.

    Interesting remarks on the topic from @adamshostack: https://infosec.exchange/@adamshostack/113901574936360113

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      Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (@adamshostack@infosec.exchange)
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      So as I was reading Improving Computer Science Performance by Developing Spatial Skills, I was struck by one of the pull quotes: “Humans recruit spatial structures in the brain for pseudo-spatial representations of complex, abstract ideas.” The paper is focused on how spatial reasoning can help people learn computer science, and that spatial reasoning is unusual because it’s can be taught and improves performance on a wide range of tasks. In this blog post, I’m engaging with that really interesting idea of “recruiting spatial structures to represent complex ideas.” Wow. (2/4)
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 06:04:42 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      (First post in the thread, which got disconnected from the others: https://infosec.exchange/@adamshostack/113901572725807543)

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        Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (@adamshostack@infosec.exchange)
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        Attached: 1 image New blog Spatial Reasoning and Threat Modeling Creating, refining, communicating, and working with models are all important parts of how I think about answering “what are we working on?” People often want to eliminate the diagramming or modeling step as “not required,” and that’s a mistake. The act of engaging with the higher order question of ‘what are we building working on’ is important, and diagramming acts as a forcing function. Committing to a specific representation opens the door to reflecting, criticism or even disagreement, sometimes in counter-productive ways, sometimes ‘merely’ letting the pursuit of perfection distract us. (1/4) https://shostack.org/blog/spatial-reasoning-and-threat-modeing/
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      Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (adamshostack@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:08:42 JST Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
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      @inthehands Musicians were very highly represented amongst WWII cryptographers. I always thought about that was more about patterns and variations than about space.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:08:42 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

      @adamshostack
      I would venture (in my cognitive science ignorance) that our brains might use structures that evolved to do spatial reasoning in order to think about patterns and variation.

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      Janne Moren (jannem@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:11:25 JST Janne Moren Janne Moren
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      @inthehands @adamshostack
      Music and mathematics - and coding, and puzzles - do seem to use much the same kind of abilities.

      But different people seem to deploy very different strategies. I think spatially; whether music or code I see it laid out in my mind's eye.

      But my wife doesn't think spatially *at all.* And she is a graphic designer - a profession you'd think spatial reasoning is pretty important.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:11:25 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

      @jannem @adamshostack
      For sure. I think I've even seen reporting on some studies that found using fMRI that while some brain tasks are situated in similar locations for most everyone, others vary wildly from person to person? Can't remember whether I'm making that up….

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:14:07 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

      @adamshostack
      I'd read it (given that I just had to search “kahneman”)!

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      Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (adamshostack@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:14:08 JST Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
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      @inthehands My next book shall be titled "Led astray by Dan Kahneman." It shall be very, very short. ;)

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      Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (adamshostack@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:15:30 JST Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
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      @inthehands @jannem about 15 years ago I read a book by a Berkely prof who had some very principles critiques of fMRI study designs, and advocated that a lot of our thinking is embodied. I really wish I could find it.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:15:30 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:

      @adamshostack @jannem
      Sounds like good stuff. I probably already agree with it.

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      Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: (adamshostack@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:22:15 JST Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
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      @inthehands His Thinking Fast and Slow is a freaking masterpiece on many levels, including accessibility, clear science writing...

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Jan-2025 09:22:15 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      @adamshostack
      Oh, I know the title. Gotta pick it up one of these days.

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