Timnit Gebru (she/her)
No one, and I mean NO ONE wanted to listen to us when we screamed at the top of our lungs that the emperor has no clothes...
Nothing else has taught me more about how propaganda works and spreads across these institutions, whether it is the Nobel Prize, the United Nations, all these governments and whatnot, and how the stock market is basically like gambling, as seeing how everyone treated OpenAI, Deepmind, and friends since their inception.
alcinnz
@timnitGebru Yeah, this dynamic has me feeling quite demotivated... I hate to say...
mempko
@timnitGebru It's so true. Thanks for speaking truth to power.
It's amazing that people who don't know math simply have billions to waste. Seems a bit irresponsible for a society to allow that, especially since there are so many important problems out there.
Timnit Gebru (she/her)
@mempko Here the academics themselves are in on the grift and misleading the public 😡
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Asta [AMP]
@timnitGebru@dair-community.social I want to scream. All the damage done, all the damage still to come, and all the fallout that will hit the people that can bear it the least. All this was called. They knew! The whole time. They knew it was all garbage that didn't work, that didn't do it very well, that didn't need all this. They fired everyone who told them!
And when the layoffs come, they won't hit the C suites that pushed this garbage. And if any 'value' is lost, it's the public that will pay to make them whole again. And it makes me sick. All the human suffering that went into those stupid fucking models and all the misery that will accompany the 'layoffs' and the 'downsizing' and the e-waste, wasted water, wasted carbon...
Timnit Gebru (she/her)
@mempko I think its a combination.
mempko
@timnitGebru Do you think it's a grift or are they self delusional? Or maybe both?
Timnit Gebru (she/her)
@Teratogenese @mempko Honestly can't be interested in the stuff they're doing even w.r.t. it being fun and interesting. I was interested in designing circuits because it was like a puzzle. Algorithms were the same. Whatever this is that they're doing is like "what happens if we throw unlimited data and compute?"
mempko
@timnitGebru I talked to a very smart friend of mine who is in this space. I told him how current approaches (LLMs and friends) are a dead end and we need to go down a different path. Told me I'm too late and AGI will be here in a couple years. That's why I don't think it's all a grift for researchers, I think some drank their own kool-aid.
Or maybe to be the best grifter, you have to believe your own magical thinking.
ECHAEA
@mempko @timnitGebru
Maybe scientists don't really care about accuracy as long as the research is fun and drives money. String Theory worked the same.
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