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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 11:47:00 JST Eugen Rochko

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   Just saw the headline "Elon Musk accused of making what appeared to be fascist salute" from CBC. Is mainstream journalism too cowardly to call a straight up, broad daylight nazi salute for what it is now? How can you still be in denial about it?

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     freediverx (freediverx@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 11:51:36 JST freediverx

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     @Gargron
     They're all cowards and traitors.

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     Shawn Williams (shwnwllms@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 11:54:24 JST Shawn Williams

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     @Gargron

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     Viss (viss@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 11:54:52 JST Viss

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     @Gargron yes. they fear retribution. with only so far that i've seen, wired and theguardian flat out calling it a nazi salute.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 12:10:48 JST Eugen Rochko

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     @Drip_Drip_Drip Yes, he is a massive loser.

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     Drip drip drip… (drip_drip_drip@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 12:10:49 JST Drip drip drip…

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     @Gargron
     I am going to say this. I saw it and what I see is a deeply broken men. Something in that person broke and there is no coming back, no repair. That guy is really fucked up, unhappy, angry, completely broke and the more he pretend to be fine and happy and “successful” the more he shows how fucked up he is.
     I would hate myself if I worked for that guy, if I am in a relaitionship with that guy, if I am a family member of that guy or if I’m related to that guy at all.

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     Daniel Marks (profdc9@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 12:31:28 JST Daniel Marks

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     @Gargron The CBC is an organ of the Canadian government and is probably reluctant to call the dear friend of the President of their much more powerful southern neighbor a Nazi. Though it's probably not going to matter in the long run anyways, appeasement doesn't work.

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     Kyle Döring (kyleirl@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 12:46:17 JST Kyle Döring

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     @Gargron https://ard.social/@tagesschau/113863348971016576

     Tagesschau couldn't bring themselves to do it either.

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     Asiren (wingstriker@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 12:46:27 JST Asiren

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     @Gargron Unfortunately they’re scared of retaliation in the form of defamation lawsuits. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanopoulos-settlement-00194391

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     MursalinT (mursalint@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 13:45:18 JST MursalinT

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     @Gargron is history repeating itself? It started as a democracy back than as well. Are people forgetting what happend or is it just to long since, and the world wants a reset to chaos again? Just thinking.

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     Urzl (gooba42@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 14:01:40 JST Urzl

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     @Gargron Because they're in on it. He's daring them to say anything about it, secure in the knowledge they're all complicit or at least too gutless to say otherwise.

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     Stephen Elliott~Buckley (maxfieldripken@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 14:17:20 JST Stephen Elliott~Buckley

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     @Gargron

     The c/a/n/a/d/a project: nice, but not kind

     #antifa #bcpoli #cdnpoli #fascism

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     James Helferty (sirspate@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 14:34:45 JST James Helferty

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     @Gargron someone doesn't want their Tesla bricked?

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     Steinar Bang (steinarb@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 14:52:55 JST Steinar Bang

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     @Gargron The journalists are probably afraid of being the first up against the wall.

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     EVHaste (haste@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 14:55:14 JST EVHaste

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     @Gargron Journalist here; that was unambiguously a Nazi salute. It looks like the folks in Trumps orbit get to benefit from NYT style sanewashing now.

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     bbcnews240 (bbcnews240@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 15:16:07 JST bbcnews240

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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 15:45:47 JST Justin Macleod

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     @Gargron "If someone says it's raining and another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both, Your job is to look out of the f—-ing window and find out which is true."

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     10tothe22 (10tothe22@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:00:07 JST 10tothe22

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     @Gargron

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     James Cameroun (ratel@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:18:00 JST James Cameroun

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     @Gargron Guess the only way for the media to call it what it is would have been for Musk to add "btw it was nazi shit indeed".

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     NOMORE (bassrck66@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:19:24 JST NOMORE

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     @Gargron

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     Gizmokid2005 (gizmokid2005@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:32:12 JST Gizmokid2005

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     @Gargron the ADL is also defending him, so let's not pretend that it's just for-profit media, it's the whole machine from top to bottom. Bought and paid for.

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     flavius_b (flavius_b@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:42:02 JST flavius_b

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     @Gargron I don’t think he‘s a Nazi. If they have a feature at all it‘s the lack of anything you could call an ideology. This gesture was just saying „I can do whatever I want, wherever I want, and get away with it“. And he seems to be right. Most if the media ducks away. It‘s systematically pushing the limits, a bit more every day.

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     Neil (neil_h@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:53:19 JST Neil

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     @Gargron, one of the biggest #German #newspapers , the #sueddeutsche, merely called it 'caused irritation with a gesture that is reminiscent of the H****r salute'.

     #journalismusversagen

     It's just strengthened my resolve to do without tech or apps from those companies and to get my news from other sources than mainstream media.

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     Chris (crisg30@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 16:58:41 JST Chris

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     @Gargron I learned a new word( or term) today #broligarchs

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     STPo (stpo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 17:08:06 JST STPo

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     @Gargron You're lucky they only mentioned the term “fascist”. Here Le Monde (France's biggest daily) talks about “trouble” in its headline and refuses to qualify the gesture without endless circumlocutions.

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     Miguel Arroz (arroz@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 17:31:22 JST Miguel Arroz

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     @Gargron I just posted about that. Unbelievable. https://mastodon.social/@arroz/113865320566741547

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     Mr. Harold Shitman (beigerooster@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 17:41:18 JST Mr. Harold Shitman

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     @Gargron the concern was always what he could do for one ignorant, rancid fanbase.

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     Nathan A. Stine (stinerman@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 19:31:05 JST Nathan A. Stine

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     @Gargron Americans can't believe that it can happen here so they rationalize everything away.

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     ROB (abgw222@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 19:31:18 JST ROB

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     @Gargron just deactivated my X acct for good!

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     WesDym (wesdym@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 20:21:57 JST WesDym

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     @Gargron Up to this point, I'd resisted the accusation, because cynicism is its own deeply corrosive agent of cultural destruction and should be avoided.

     But I will now. There is no excuse for failing to call this out, and doing so NOW. Any organ that fails to is cowardly, and ultimately complicit.

     People of the past gave their lives for the societies and liberties we take for granted now. We must at least be willing to risk some discomfort in respect to their sacrifice, or else it was wasted.

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     Eusebiu Sofeiga (eusebiu@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 20:32:06 JST Eusebiu Sofeiga

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     @Gargron he didn't just do it once, he did it twice for the people in back.

     It's not even being in denial at this point, it's outright supporting it by trying to brush it off.

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     gmsizemore (gmsizemore@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 22:24:21 JST gmsizemore

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     @Gargron It's 'cause the ADL endorsed it (the gesture), and they did so presumably because right-wing Israel loves Trump and the ADL loves the IDF. Right-wing Israel loves it when America funds their apartheid and genocide.

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     Henriette (henriette74@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 22:40:51 JST Henriette

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     @Gargron A very explicit salute, indeed.

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     S.D. Dobson (sddobson@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 23:02:48 JST S.D. Dobson

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     @Gargron I'm beginning to understand how paper beats rock now and it makes me sad.

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     Jenny (jenjuniper80@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 23:42:45 JST Jenny

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     @Gargron In the U.S. mainstream press it's even worse - they are calling it an "odd gesture."

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     petersoukup@mastodon.social's status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 00:12:25 JST PeterSoukup

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     @Gargron Yep ... Under the pretense of "objectivity" and false" balance", the legacy corporate media keep normalizing the sickening behavior of rich and powerful ... that's why people are turning away from them more and more ...

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     Karen E. Lund 💙💛 (karen5lund@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 06:45:57 JST Karen E. Lund 💙💛

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     @Gargron The CBC isn't even the worst; at least they acknowledge that it might be a "fascist salute." The New York Times headlined an article "Elon Musk Ignites Online Speculation Over the Meaning of a Hand Gesture," as if the paper didn't exist in the 1930s and 40s.

     https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/20/us/politics/elon-musk-hand-gesture-speech.html?smid=tw-share

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     Andrew (anddan@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 07:42:50 JST Andrew

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     @Gargron i think I saw Justin trudeau making this gesture. I think it means he wants to fund a project
     No need to be alarmist

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     Erik Chendo Tegon (erikcht@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Jan-2025 02:39:37 JST Erik Chendo Tegon

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     @Gargron Hi, I'm Erik.
     Could create this video in other lenguages?
     I could volunteer to be the voice to PORTUGUÊS Brasil (portuguese brazil)
     https://youtu.be/IPSbNdBmWKE?si=r35RXGeSrcEgvm9H

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 10:00:39 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @Gargron #defundCBC if they are going to participate in gaslighting
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     BDN (bdn13@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Jan-2025 16:54:34 JST BDN

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     @Gargron here is a newspaper who calls it by it’s name https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitlergruss-amtseinfuehrung-donald-trump