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   Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 05:10:16 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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   Oh ok I’m coming back for this: deciding we are on “teams” that are infallible is basest human nature and exactly how we are falling into global nationalism and a ironclad two party system in the US. Call shit out when your friends and coworkers do it. Call your orgs out!

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 05:10:17 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

     (Takes a deep breath)

     We obviously need to have a talk about the fact that most hackers are pretty socially liberal and personal liberty driven. That means we typically fall in line on ideals with libertarian and civil liberties organizations and pundits.

     It seems that some people are just discovering that occasionally techbro and traditional libertarians push things at those orgs to an extreme that not only do we not support and have to call out, but even the good people working there object to.

     You do not need to be a universal apologist for those organizations because they mostly do good stuff. It’s unbecoming. Endorsing very bad stuff and fascist enabling is in fact, super bad. It needs to be resoundingly condemned, immediately.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 05:10:17 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     Frankly it’s gross, and I’m disappointed in a few of you. I donate to ACLU and EFF and I will absolutely call out their rare policies and statements which harm marginalized people.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 05:10:17 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     *Walks off shaking my head at the Proton apologists*

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 06:33:08 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     This is more important than ever, globally. The rise of fascism and nationalism, extreme disinformation, climate change, economic disparity and oligarchy are all becoming normalized politically and socially. It’s very easy to be desensitized and accept the red line being moved further and further.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 06:33:08 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     My people, two of the largest information sharing platforms on Earth now allow full blown hate speech against queer people. Programs that allow disadvantaged people to have a shot are being attacked, billionaires are becoming trillionaires while we struggle to get healthcare. Vigilance.

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     My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 07:36:01 JST My camera shoots fascists

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     @hacks4pancakes
     Oh geez, I missed the nazi related symbols part.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 07:36:02 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     • [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

     @gangrif I can explain briefly, the proton CEO has pretty much publicly come out as a fascist, even posting Nazi related symbols. When I and others have called this out, hackers have rushed to their defense because they like proton.

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     [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle: (gangrif@social.undrground.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 07:36:03 JST [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

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     @hacks4pancakes I dont think I caught what happened with Proton, guess i need to go read up on it, but. What your describing here ive heard called Tribalism. Its what makes sportball fans so hateful toward eachother that it sometimes comes to violence. Its what makes political parties so polar opposite from each other. And for a lot of humanity's history its whats kept groups of people alive.

     Our base nature makes us fall in line with people who think like we do. And then stick with them until something big makes us change our minds. Some of us are OK being loners and so we end up taking more objective views on these sort of things. But the bulk of the human race.. Its reallly hard to change.

     Those of us who can think freely, do, in fact, as you say, need to call it out when we see it, and we need to be as vocal as we can be without also alienating ourselves from the larger tribes. Becasue if we appear to be too much "outside" of their views... Well.. we're just the opposition.

     Let me be clear though, I am NOT suggesting that we all need to be OK with the most radical examples here. Just so we can somehow believe that we might change their minds. I am perfectly fine with being alienated from hate groups for example. But I think there are a lot of people who are floating right now, and maybe just need a good breeze in the right direction.

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     My camera shoots fascists (mikal@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 10:19:54 JST My camera shoots fascists

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     @Infoseepage @hacks4pancakes

     Ugh. I said a couple days ago that I had been planning to switch to proton before this, but that I would hold off and give this a little time to see how it all played out. I guess that's my answer.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 13:02:12 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     Not people in my thread still trying to whatabout the Proton CEO, imma have a drink and block yall

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     Sig. Ug. (sig_ug@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 13:06:34 JST Sig. Ug.

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     @hacks4pancakes As Hemingway wrote, “There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes.”
     The time is upon us, and the tech bros are flexing, both literally and figuratively, in the rush of what they see as a new age.

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     Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 15:02:33 JST Bob Jonkman

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     @hacks4pancakes

     Wondering if the photo's forced perspective makes your dessert drink look really huge, or if it really is that big. My money's on big.

     Also noticing all the other restaurant patrons hunkering down in the back room, presumably outside the blast radius of that incendiary device.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 00:05:27 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     • Dan 🔓:afloppy:​:donor:, powered by sarcasm

     @sycophantic @gangrif every techbro who was held back by HR and PR just basically got a green light to be himself, as a corporate policy. At least we can see who people are

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     Dan 🔓:afloppy:​:donor:, powered by sarcasm (sycophantic@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 00:05:28 JST Dan 🔓:afloppy:​:donor:, powered by sarcasm

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     • [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

     @gangrif @hacks4pancakes it feels like everything everywhere has gone to shit with no relief in sight.

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     [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle: (gangrif@social.undrground.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 00:05:29 JST [nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:

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     @hacks4pancakes Dammit...

     I mean really.. Dammit. This all makes me wish I never stopped self-hosting all of my services... At least when I ran my own email I knew I generally agreed with the morals of my host.. :P

     Seriously though, thanks for filling me in. Now I have enough data to go dig deeper. I dont use proton for anything other than a single account for the defcon group I help organize.. so im not terribly impacted personally.

     Im really getting sick of every tech company suddenly showing how terrible they truly are recently. These are the companies that we've all trusted to host the infrastructure that the world operates on. Its just infuriating.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 00:13:15 JST Rich Felker

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     • eagerpebble

     @eagerpebble @hacks4pancakes If you want to do ethical stuff with tech, you don't look to get hired by a "tech company" but a company doing something positive and worthwhile that needs IT staff or programmers etc.

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     eagerpebble (eagerpebble@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 00:13:16 JST eagerpebble

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     @hacks4pancakes I really wish there were more than 3 companies that I could work at that weren't overtly evil or dumping money (and our climate) into worthless LLMs...which I guess makes them evil too. ::sigh::

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 01:19:16 JST sudneo

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     • Infoseepage

     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes so in your opinion it is more likely that the CEO of a company in a moment of crisis, while creating a username to answer on reddit publicly associating with it, decided to use an obscure Nazi reference as a dogwhistle rather than his birth year that also happens to be a lucky number? This is no-vax level conspiracy.

     Edit: and he did in binary code, because everyone knows that Nazi are well read people.

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 01:31:43 JST sudneo

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     • Infoseepage

     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes and if there were absolutely no other reasonable explanations I would consider it maybe suspicious. But it's his birth year AND in Taiwan that's a lucky number, which he said himself. Given a much more realistic, simple and logical explanation, why are we still talking about this?

     The answer is, because it's a witch hunt now.

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 01:42:03 JST sudneo

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     • Infoseepage

     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes "his apparent intent" is purely your speculation. Did he say so? Anyway, if for you it's really more likely that he is a nazi using a dogwhistle, rather than he just picked his birth year that happens to be a lucky number in his culture, then we live in a different world.
     I personally despise this form of McCarthyism in which people's opinion are assumed and inflated, all to "weed out bad actors". Insane.

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 01:52:39 JST sudneo

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     • Infoseepage

     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes no, he did both in the same comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/m7nr5ym/

     If you are looking at reason for being offended, I am sure there will be plenty of numerologists that will find all kind of symbols in his writings. People being offended by a number, when there is no additional meaning behind it would be like asking eastern cultures to break all the swastikas on their old buildings. I am genuinely shocked. As I said, McCarthyism on a different flavor.
     I am out.

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 03:14:42 JST sudneo

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     • Infoseepage

     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes and that's great. But because of that you know it has a lot of meaning (I am Italian, Nazism and fascism are both recent scars) and is a grave accusation which needs solid foundations. In this case, why making the trial on assumed intention when the guy explained himself?

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     sudneo (sudneo@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 03:47:28 JST sudneo

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     @Infoseepage @Mikal @hacks4pancakes are you a lawyer? Can you conclusively say that appending 88 in whatever form to a username is illegal? To me sounds laughable.
     Also I repeat the question: why western symbologism should prevail over his own (culture/taste/etc.)? "I find it offensive" is not enough, especially when it's a western cultural steamroll. I find this vision actually telling of a colonial mindset.