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   James Morris (jmorris@social.kernel.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:12:55 JST James Morris
   Dumb legal question: if people generally do not read terms of service type documents, how are they valid as a legal vehicle?
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     James Morris (jmorris@social.kernel.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:14:51 JST James Morris

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     • Coach Pāṇini ®
     @paninid but nobody ever reads them, which seems problematic.
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     Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:14:52 JST Coach Pāṇini ®

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     @jmorris

     The legal burden is on the signer of the contract / terms.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:45:34 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     @jmorris in many countries they aren't if you put odd stuff in there. In The Netherlands there is for example the concept of 'mandatory law' which declares all kinds of things void in contracts with consumers. Judges here will assume that consumers are not lawyers and will not consult lawyers for most things they buy or services they consume. So if you put stuff in the TOS that is too surprising, it isn't valid here.

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