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    Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 20:12:00 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan

    “The prime minister, a man whose education, legal and political career largely predates the online world, has revealed himself to be a passionate evangelist for artificial intelligence (AI). He is right to be so, even though the language used in his keynote speech about his ‘action plan’ was sometimes alarming.

    Sir Keir Starmer’s blueprint will ‘mainline AI into the veins of this enterprising nation’, driven by a government that ‘won’t sit back and let opportunities slip through its fingers’; which wants to ‘turbocharge’ change, go ‘all in’ and ‘win the global race.’”

    Fools. Absolute fools. The load of them.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/artificial-intelligence-ai-keir-starmer-elon-musk-b2678634.html

    In conversation about 5 months ago from mastodon.ar.al permalink
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      Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 20:51:53 JST Charlie Stross Charlie Stross
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      • Tariq

      @rzeta0 @aral Remember there's a also tradition within Labour of harking back to the good old days of Harold Wilson's "white heat of technology" in the early 1960s. Never mind that Wilson had a scientific civil service to advise him (Thatcher axed it because it didn't give her the answers she wanted).

      Starmer's drunk the kool-aid, is too unaware to realize he's been fed a line, and has no technically educated advisors to give him a reality check.

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      Tariq (rzeta0@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 20:51:54 JST Tariq Tariq
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      @aral

      They're desperate to find "growth" anywhere - behind the sofa, on top of the fridge, in magical AI

      the tragedy is two-fold

      1. like every modern tech hype bubble, the promised sustainable good industries rarely emerge

      2. the human costs will be high - and we'll have to pay collectively

      I detest the man, for his pandering to the alt right, and his enabling of genocide.

      But I had expected him to be "boring" enough to invest in green industry - slow but steady, not flash in the pan

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink
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      Thomas Sturm (tsturm@famichiki.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 21:14:11 JST Thomas Sturm Thomas Sturm
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      • Charlie Stross

      @aral @cstross If they would just talk to a single person under 40 (who is not a “consultant”) before making any technology decisions, the world would be much better off.

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink
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      Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 21:14:11 JST Charlie Stross Charlie Stross
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      • Thomas Sturm

      @tsturm @aral Or of they'd talk to over-40s who'd actually worked in the tech sector *and not as management or executives* so they had unvarnished real-life experiences to share from the last time or two on this merry-go-round.

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      David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) (david_chisnall@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 22:02:07 JST David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
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      @aral Coincidentally, I wrote to my MP the day before Starmer said this nonsense. I was writing specifically about the consultation on weakening UK copyright law to allow AI grifters to launder the commons with no repercussions, which is framed as 'we obviously want to give everything away and kill the British creative industry to make some Americans richer, help us find the most efficient way of doing that'.

      The relevant part of my letter was:

      Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of understanding in government of how current 'AI' systems work. Announcements by members of the cabinet could easily be press releases from companies trying to sell things on the current hype wave. The only ray of sunshine has been the skepticism from the MOD. Much of the current hype wave surrounding generative AI is from companies run by the same people behind the Bitcoin / blockchain / web3 hype (which consumed a lot of energy, made the climate disaster worse, and failed to produce a single useful product).

      There are a few places where machine learning techniques have huge value. Anomaly detection can be very useful for at-scale early diagnosis of various medical conditions, but this alone will not fix the NHS. Most of the hype has failed to create any products of real value. For example:

      • 77% of employees report that using AI tools makes them less productive[1].

      • A study on Google's own workers found that using AI tools made them less productive[2].

      • OpenAI, the flagship company driving the hype wave is still making massive losses[3], including losing money on the $200/month subscription plan[4].

      • Software written using AI has more security vulnerabilities[5]

      It is not worth throwing the UK's creative sector under a bus to provide more money for these companies and their investors.

      If you want a good overview of these problems, I'd recommend Pivot-to-AI[6] as a starting point. Beyond this, I'd also point out that OpenAI has been caught harvesting data from sites whose terms of use specifically prohibit it[7] (see also the LibGen article on Pivot-to-AI). Breaking the law should not be rewarded and no opt-out can work with people who do not follow the law. Opt in is the only viable solution.

      The footnotes were:

      [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2024/09/12/77-of-surveyed-employees-say-ai-tools-make-them-less-productive/
      [2] https://redmonk.com/rstephens/2024/11/26/dora2024/
      [3] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/27/openai-sees-5-billion-loss-this-year-on-3point7-billion-in-revenue.html
      [4] https://9meters.com/technology/ai/openai-loses-money-on-200-month-pro-plan-because-people-are-using-it-too-much
      [5] https://arxiv.org/html/2404.03823v1
      [6] https://pivot-to-ai.com
      [7] https://aoir.social/@aram/113811386580314915

      I don't encourage people to send the same text to their MPs, because that gets ignored, but a set of citations like this may help push back.

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink

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      1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: pivot-to-ai.com
        Pivot to AI
        It can't be that stupid, you must be prompting it wrong
      2. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: imageio.forbes.com
        77% Of Surveyed Employees Say AI Tools Make Them Less Productive
        from Tor Constantino, MBA
        Ironically, 96% of surveyed C-suite executives said AI tools will drive company productivity gains — what gives?
      3. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: redmonk.com
        DORA Report 2024 – A Look at Throughput and Stability
        from Rachel Stephens
        Google recently released the 2024 Accelerate State of DevOps (DORA) report, and there were some holy shit moments in those 120 pages. Or–to phrase it more professionally–this year’s report has some…
      4. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: image.cnbcfm.com
        OpenAI sees roughly $5 billion loss this year on $3.7 billion in revenue
        from https://www.facebook.com/CNBC
        CNBC has confirmed that OpenAI expects about $5 billion in losses on $3.7 billion in revenue this year — figures first reported by The New York Times.
      5. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: 9meters.com
        OpenAI Losing Money On $200 ChatGPT ‘Pro Plan’ Because People Use It Too Much
        from Davonte Lee
        OpenAI's ChatGPT Pro plan, priced at $200 per month, is facing unexpected financial challenges. CEO Sam Altman revealed that the company is currently losing
      6. No result found on File_thumbnail lookup.
        An Investigation into Misuse of Java Security APIs by Large Language Models
      7. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: cdn.masto.host
        Aram Sinnreich (@aram@aoir.social)
        from Aram Sinnreich
        Attached: 3 images Confirmed it myself: ChatGPT is crawling the fediverse, even servers like aoir.social whose policies prohibit crawling and scraping of data. cc @admin1 @nik @ubiquity75@dair-community.social @rwg @tstruett@mastodon.online @paufder ht @atomicpoet@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org for bringing this to my attention
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 22:50:46 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • Tim B
      • Fazal Majid

      @fazalmajid @TLB73 Dude, trust me, my mentions are the last place you want to be fanboying Thatcher.

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink
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      Fazal Majid (fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 22:50:47 JST Fazal Majid Fazal Majid
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      • Tim B

      @TLB73 @aral Thatcher was originally a scientist (chemistry, studied under Nobelist Dorothy Hodgkin).

      To this day she is the only British PM with a science or engineering background, which may explain why the country, run as it is by Oxford PPE or liberal arts wankers, is circling the drain.

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      Tim B (tlb73@topspicy.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 22:50:48 JST Tim B Tim B
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      @aral
      This just reminds me of thatcher and her cronies.
      No actual engineers, just brutal greedy piggies.

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2025 02:02:13 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • Tariq
      • DeltaWye 🔜 Anthrocon-ish?

      @DeltaWye @rzeta0 Yep

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink
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      DeltaWye 🔜 Anthrocon-ish? (deltawye@tiggi.es)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2025 02:02:14 JST DeltaWye 🔜 Anthrocon-ish? DeltaWye 🔜 Anthrocon-ish?
      in reply to
      • Tariq

      @rzeta0 @aral Growth for the sake of growth is cancer

      In conversation about 5 months ago permalink

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