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   Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:24:34 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

   The Web could only grow because it was based on two complimenary standards — HTML for the documents and HTTP for the transport (that grew into a monster over many years, but that is a different story).

   In social networking we now see one truly open approach (ActivityPub) and a bunch of proprietary protocols with BlueSky's ATPROTO being the most pushed one, with a new $30M boost from people that, IMHO, care more about owning than about sharing. Guess which standard I prefer ;)

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:33:23 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     Wildeboer's Theorem #7: Good standards define, bad standards compete. #SarcasmButOnlyHalf

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     lobingera (lobingera@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:39:41 JST lobingera

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     @jwildeboer

     I remember the time when there was 3GPP and 3GPP2 ...

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:43:24 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jwildeboer I obviously share your preference, but I think the #FreeOurFeeds group is working to make AT Proto more open, equitable, and participative. I think making things more open is always good.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:47:03 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan Yes, agreed. But the fact that it needs such a push to be more open tells a story in itself. I applaud the effort, but I prefer a world where such (IMHO) waste of resources wouldn't be needed.

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     lobingera (lobingera@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:48:49 JST lobingera

     @jwildeboer

     No. IPv4 competing with IPv6 is ?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:58:24 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jwildeboer You and me both!

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:03:32 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Paul J Wege

     @makeratschool @jwildeboer Do you mean, why are the FOF folks starting their new project? I think they're worried that Bluesky is a VC-funded startup that could be acquired at any moment.

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     Paul J Wege (makeratschool@kanoa.de)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:03:33 JST Paul J Wege

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan
     But there is no reason to do it that was. There is an open protocol for decenzralized networks. Equitable and participative. Maybe with some flaws, but the basic work is done, proof of concept more than successfull. Let's throw 30Mio bucks on this. So the question should be WHY?
     @jwildeboer

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:41:42 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Paul J Wege

     @makeratschool @jwildeboer to the people who started that project? I think they are mostly Bluesky users and developers, so that's their primary interest.

     For the Fediverse? I think we have >100 ActivityPub implementations, mostly Open Source, that run for tens of thousands of independent communities, with commodity servers and a permissionless networking standard. I think it's a lot harder to hijack that network.

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     Paul J Wege (makeratschool@kanoa.de)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:41:43 JST Paul J Wege

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan
     That doesn't answer my question: Why is it important to get Bluesky billionaire proof and Mastodon not?
     @jwildeboer

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 07:46:59 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Paul J Wege

     @makeratschool @jwildeboer if you'd like to convince the FOF people to spend money on ActivityPub, you will definitely not get any objections from me!